News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by lostlogin on Saturday January 18, 2020 @03:46PM (#22087065)
> Most of the value is in taxi services

I’m imagining how gross a taxi would be that doesn’t have a driver to provide passengers a low level of behaviour moderation.

Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by dmortin on Saturday January 18, 2020 @03:57PM (#22087149)
If the taxi is soiled then the next passenger indicates this via the app. The taxi is sent for cleaning and the previous passenger is charged for the cleaning. Also, there will be cameras inside in case it has to be proven who made the car dirty.

If people have to pay the cleaning bill they will be careful not to make a mess.

Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by lostlogin on Saturday January 18, 2020 @06:58PM (#22088297)
> If the taxi is soiled then the next passenger indicates this via the app

So riders blame the mess on the previous passenger. Then the taxi company installs cameras. It’s all gross (and yes, I’m aware many taxis have cameras already).

Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by pas on Sunday January 19, 2020 @07:33AM (#22091086)
Trade offs. Now we exploit humans, pay them quasi minimum wage, and we get the occasional rape story.

Self driving taxi will be a new possible way to get from A to B, and people will chose their own trade offs.

Probably human driven taxis will become the luxury eventually.

Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by gambiting on Saturday January 18, 2020 @04:30PM (#22087388)
That sounds horrendous, honestly.
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by dmortin on Saturday January 18, 2020 @04:55PM (#22087557)
You won't have to use the service, but if you do then companies will have to have a way to protect the service from abusers.
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by threeseed on Saturday January 18, 2020 @07:18PM (#22088419)
This doesn't work for the most common issue with taxis: the smell.

And often that is the hardest thing to get rid of.

Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by celeritascelery on Saturday January 18, 2020 @04:19PM (#22087290)
Great. Let’s give companies even more ways to violate privacy.
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by 8ytecoder on Saturday January 18, 2020 @05:21PM (#22087725)
That’s the theory. If doing the right thing is not the default, it’s bound to get bad pretty fast.
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by johannes1234321 on Saturday January 18, 2020 @03:56PM (#22087139)
Well, considering that these won't allow anonymous usage this can be mitigated by kicking out "bad" users and big fines. Also cars can visit the cleaning zone frequently.

For "free floating car sharing" (DriveNow/ShareNow, Yandex.Drive, ...) this seems to work quite well.

Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by lostlogin on Saturday January 18, 2020 @06:56PM (#22088286)
I’ve seen the shared cars in Paris. They are completely awful.
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by judge2020 on Saturday January 18, 2020 @03:54PM (#22087124)
This isn't much a problem in terms of self-driving, but solutions to this aren't hard; eg. someone could use the app before they enter a self-driving taxi to report that the car has stains, trash, food, etc. left in it. The company behind it could then queue it to be cleaned.
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by nordsieck on Saturday January 18, 2020 @04:00PM (#22087173)
> I’m imagining how gross a taxi would be that doesn’t have a driver to provide passengers a low level of behaviour moderation.

I've talked to a number of uber drivers. The cameras recording the passengers are a much greater inhibitor of bad behavior than the driver.

Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by maxerickson on Saturday January 18, 2020 @03:50PM (#22087090)
It'll probably just be smooth, hard plastic.
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by erik_seaberg on Saturday January 18, 2020 @05:33PM (#22087818)
BART went with vinyl because the riders were really uncomfortable with the old wool ones: https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2012/04/how-bart-fina...
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by connicpu on Saturday January 18, 2020 @03:56PM (#22087137)
Hard plastic covered in the last rider's vomit :/
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by scarejunba on Saturday January 18, 2020 @07:42PM (#22088536)
Doesn't happen on GetAround.
Re:Volkswagen exec admits full self-driving cars 'may never ... by sumnulu on Saturday January 18, 2020 @04:35PM (#22087429)
Except if you are living in Japan.