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Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by petschge on Thursday January 16, 2020 @12:53PM (#22066998)
Space based works for optical, but not all other wave length. For example it will also reduce the sensitivity of air cherenkov telescopes that detect gamma rays and that can not be moved to space.
Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by Ajedi32 on Thursday January 16, 2020 @01:00PM (#22067076)
Would air cherenkov telescopes be significantly affected by additional satellites in orbit? It sounds like they're designed to detect high energy gamma rays striking the atmosphere, so probably not?
Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by SiempreViernes on Thursday January 16, 2020 @09:36PM (#22071364)
In practice they are looking for very weak flashes of light, adding extra background light obviously reduced sensitivity.
Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by dnautics on Thursday January 16, 2020 @01:19PM (#22067268)
is cherenkov radiation even observable during dawn/dusk +/- 2 hours? I imagine that the atmospheric refraction of the sun would seriously hamper those observations during that time period.
Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by petschge on Thursday January 16, 2020 @02:37PM (#22068036)
On traditional telescope using photomultipliers such as Magic, Hess or Veritas: no. But systems with solid state detectors such as FACT are moving in that direction.
Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by dnautics on Saturday January 18, 2020 @01:06PM (#22085894)
Can you explain that for me? I'm not sure how better detectors let you delete the noise from the sun.
Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by nwallin on Thursday January 16, 2020 @06:44PM (#22070333)
I'm struggling to see how starlink will affect those telescopes. Please explain?
Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by xur17 on Thursday January 16, 2020 @12:57PM (#22067051)
Why can't those be moved to space?
Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by HorstG on Thursday January 16, 2020 @01:03PM (#22067110)
Because cherenkov radiation is only observable in a transparent medium like air or water. Space doesn't work because the speed of light in space equals the speed of light in vacuum, therefore no cherenkov radiation.
Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by Taniwha on Thursday January 16, 2020 @01:14PM (#22067212)
Couldn't they look down?
Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by HorstG on Thursday January 16, 2020 @03:06PM (#22068324)
Cherenkov telescopes for neutrinos do look down for reasons of schielding. Neutrinos can pass the earth, other particles not so much.

But those are a special case, air cherenkov telescopes are looking for "less weird" particles like photons or protons. Those can only be seen looking up, since the primary particles moving down focuses the cherenkov light down in a narrow cone.

Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by petschge on Thursday January 16, 2020 @02:38PM (#22068049)
The Cherenkov emission is boosted in the direction of travel, i.e. downward. And there are too many lights on the surface of the Earth.
Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by m4rtink on Thursday January 16, 2020 @01:18PM (#22067263)
While this certainly requires non trivial large scale space engineering, you should be able to build in in principle.

Basically a big bubble filled with the most useful gas for this + bunch of photodetectors inside at the appropriate places. You could also make the whole detection chamber much larger, than the ~30 km (?) of reasonably thick atmosphere you get on Earth.

Re:SpaceX tests black satellite to reduce ‘megaconstellation... by rtkwe on Thursday January 16, 2020 @01:02PM (#22067104)
They are imaging the flashes as the relativistic particles slam into our atmosphere. No atmosphere, no flash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IACT