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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by hardtke on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @01:03PM (#22056588)
I have 2 friends in their 40s who are primary care physicians at Kaiser (one in Bay Area, one in Sacramento). Both have dropped down to 60% time (3 days per week), explaining that 60% time is actually 40 hours. In the last few years Kaiser has added both EHR work and e-medicine work without reducing the number of appointment slots. So, it's about 7 hours per day of appointments and then catching up on all of the deferred paperwork and emails.
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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by novok on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @01:37PM (#22056998)
Kaiser a shit place to work at for any doctor. Classic standard american BigCorp stereotypes everywhere.
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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by gamblor956 on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @04:32PM (#22058912)
Kaiser is a shit place to work....until you compare them to the alternatives.

I know a number of doctors who love working for Kaiser after having worked in private practice or at other hospital chains.

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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by novok on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @06:54PM (#22060216)
I've found a opposite experience. They seemed to like sutter the best, a bunch of others not bad and kaiser was so-so. It might be a case-by-case issue depending on the specialty.
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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by overlyLogical on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @01:08PM (#22056660)
But they still make 10x more than the average American.
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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by hardtke on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @01:18PM (#22056792)
Not true. A primary care physician at Kaiser makes a bit over $200K if they work full time AFAIK. Average American makes about $50K. Considering the 4 years of med school and 3 years of residency they are not overpaid. Specialists are the people making $500K+
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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by shadow-banned on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @01:31PM (#22056932)
$50K is household income.

Average income is more like $32K.

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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by MagnumOpus on Thursday January 16, 2020 @06:42AM (#22063621)
Median full-time individual income is $48,000. (Weekly earnings of $923 from [1] times 52.). The mean is even higher.

[1] https://www.bls.gov/news.release/wkyeng.t01.htm

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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by James_Henry on Thursday January 16, 2020 @09:04AM (#22064565)
Median personal income in 2018 was estimated to be $33.7k (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N). And the BLS gives mean wages for family and general practitioner at $211,780 (https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/physicians-and-surgeons.h...).

Also, while I don't know about the competitiveness of jobs in certain locations, rural states can have some of the higher mean wages for fam and gen practioners (https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes291062.htm).

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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by conanbatt on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @01:17PM (#22056770)
Not that much. They have half a million dollar student loans; they pay thousands of dollars a month in malpractice. And doctoes are very overworked.

Its not that great of a profession.

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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by vkou on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @01:50PM (#22057140)
Then where is all this money going? Why does my health insurance cost $10,000/person of coverage, on top of deductibles and co-pays?
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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by fragmede on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @02:02PM (#22057284)
Administration, primarily.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/08061...

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/the-real-reason-medical-care...

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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @02:50PM (#22057744)
https://www.cms.gov/files/document/highlights.pdf

33% to hospitals

20% to physicians and clinical services

9% to retail prescription drugs

5% for other health, residential and personal care services

5% for nursing care facilities and continuing care retirement communities

4% for dental services

I can't find any clear answer to what proportion doctors earn themselves:

https://www.medicalbag.com/home/finance/health-care-costs-in...

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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by sdinsn on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @07:10PM (#22060328)
In addition, you pay for profit for the insurance companies
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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by conanbatt on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @05:01PM (#22059245)
Mostly admin. You could make healthcare a lot cheaper with cheaper doctors though, but its not that great a racket
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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by dickjocke on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @02:01PM (#22057274)
Primary care doc is making 10x 55k? Doubt it's even 5x
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Re:Physician burnout widespread, especially among those midc... by wobbly_bush on Wednesday January 15, 2020 @01:12PM (#22056699)
Not the person you replied to, but how is that relevant to the discussion?
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