Comma Two Devkit

Re:Comma Two Devkit by selectodude on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:37PM (#21986974)

I think that's sort of by design. The NHTSA shut down their ability to sell in the US a few years ago. This seems to be some sort of stealth method to sell it again using the same sort of trick pharmaceutical companies use where they don't have to tell you any warnings if they don't actually tell you what the thing does.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/10/28/comma-ai-cancels-the-comma...

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by throwawaymath on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:44PM (#21987414)

> Hotz tweeted from the official Comma.ai account that rather than providing the requisite response, the company would instead be cancelling Comma One entirely, and turning its attention to “other products and markets,” since Hotz says that the prospect of a life “dealing with regulators and lawyers… isn’t worth it.”

...Wow. Maybe don't develop autonomous driving tech then?

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by kick on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:53PM (#21987458)

Their tech is within the top two right now, and Hotz has demonstrated a deep responsibility with it. Plus, it's all libre software.

Skipping regulators seems fine, given (unlike their competitors) they're acting responsibly. Their eye-tracking tech is really cool, too, and prevents the Tesla problem of drivers losing focus.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by Barrin92 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:08PM (#21987571)

>Their tech is within the top two right now,

how can anyone make that statement in the same breath as declaring that dodging regulators is fine? Who the hell evaluates the quality of the product if not regulators?

Are we supposed to take George Hotz's or the companies word for it?

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by shiftpgdn on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:27PM (#21987979)

I am a comma user, engineer and autonomous vehicle enthusiast. Comma truly is second only Tesla if we leave out Waymo, but Waymo is only operating in Geofenced areas.

I have used every single pilot assist out and they're all quiet frankly terrible in comparison. I will give GM Supercruise a nod in how well it's done but again, it's Geofenced.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by kick on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:12PM (#21987590)

You can use it; you don't have to take Hotz's word, or the company's word for it. How everything works is completely open, and it works pretty well. Also, see:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21987585

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by anfractuosity on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @04:29PM (#21995997)

I thought the computer vision model wasn't open?

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by pbreit on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:18PM (#21987638)

The quality of a product is pretty much always determined by the marketplace, not regulators.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by cranky_coder on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:54PM (#21987836)

I feel like the Boeing 737 MAX situation is a clear demonstration that this isn’t really the case, especially in the realm of safety regulations.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by sokoloff on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @07:16AM (#21990690)

It seems to me like the market has developed a better idea of the product quality there than the regulators initially did.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by DesolationJones on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:18PM (#21987637)

It's open sourced. Everyone is able to evaluate quality.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by Barrin92 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:29PM (#21987704)

The people who are consumers of these products are not necessarily software engineers, so no everyone cannot evaluate the quality of these products. Secondly, the models are not open source, and even if they were looking at them tells them nothing about the quality of the product.

The only way to actually access the quality of these products is through independent testing by a body that is qualified and reputable enough to do so. Which in my opinion should happen before even a single one of these devices is actually allowed to participate in regular traffic.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by DesolationJones on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:49PM (#21987819)

It was made fully opened sourced last year.

https://medium.com/@chengyao.shen/decoding-comma-ai-openpilo...

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by jsjohnst on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @08:31AM (#21991218)

> it was made fully opened source

Unless something changed I missed, the part I emphasized is not true. There’s binary blobs in the source code that last I heard would not be released.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by ohazi on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:59PM (#21987499)

Do you have any evidence to support your claim that Hotz has done anything resembling "deep responsibility"?

Because from the scraps that I've managed to put together, he seems childish and irresponsible.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by kick on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @09:10PM (#21987585)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwcYp-XT7UI

This Lex Friedman interview is pretty explanatory on the topic of responsibility.

A couple of highlights, which point to Comma being at minimum more responsible than Tesla: Comma doesn't advertise itself as anything beyond L2, unlike Tesla; Comma doesn't fuck up eye-detection, it refuses to cooperate with a driver who has their eyes off the road.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by lawnchair_larry on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:10PM (#21987908)

Their tech is nowhere close to the top two.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by matz1 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:53PM (#21987460)

Or maybe don't have such a stringent regulation ?

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by geofft on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:48PM (#21987431)

As I understand it, "the NHTSA shut down" is a serious approximation of the story. They marketed aftermarket self-driving kits while not getting any regulatory approval, and when the NHTSA sent them a letter saying "So, uh, what's this thing you're selling? Can we meet?" they immediately chose to shut themselves down instead of meeting.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by aeyes on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:49PM (#21988101)

It isn't an actual consumer product, it is a development kit.

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Re:Comma Two Devkit by bugsy924 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:23PM (#21986858)

it's a dashcam with a passive driver assist system, the openpilot stuff is a separate product meant to be installed onto the "comma two" by the user

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