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Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by awinder on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:54PM (#21975931)
Did the inappropriate content happen with a certain age range set? I totally believe this happens / feel like a bad parent for not cutting it off, but we have the app set on 2 year old and under and I’ve seen a lot of dumb stuff but nothing inappropriate yet. I’m just curious if this becomes an issue that boils down to where you set the age range or if I’m just playing an epically long game of Russian roulette right now.
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by nojvek on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:11AM (#21977720)
A friends 1 year old was watching YT unsupervised. Some of the videos were super creepy. Like cockroaches coming out of LEGO bricks and being smashed (coackroach blood and things) and then they reversed and the cockroaches multiplied and took over LEGO tower. Kid was super memsmerized. I was totally WTF-ed.

100% agree. YT kids is not safe for kids. I wouldn’t show it to my kids. I instead download the videos I want and manually make a playlist. There is wayyyyyyy too much garbage in YT kids.

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by unicornporn on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:55AM (#21977954)
My problem with YT Kids is that the business model of YouTube is inherently incompatible with children and law. Here in Sweden advertising targeted at children is banned[1]. YouTube Kids is more or less all product placement, influencer "reviews" and sponsored content. Why would a child need thousands of videos? I would curate and download a library of videos.

[1] https://theculturetrip.com/europe/sweden/articles/sweden-ban...

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by saiya-jin on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:30AM (#21981467)
Is it just me to see a bigger problem here - what the fuck is wrong with people to let their tiny innocent offspring just watch some fucking dumb TV?

Is this the best they can do as parents? I mean, we all know just dumb sitting on couch and passively consuming whatever goes in TV ain't healthy mentally (and physically), and they ingrain this approach in their kids since very young age?

Parenting ain't easy, never was and probably never will be, but damn invest some proper human time in it, don't just offload raising of your kids to some stupid website which lives off ads. This is best invested time of your life.

I have a 2-week newborn, and damn he ain't getting close to TV/phone/tablets till much much later, and even that in limited manner.

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by nojvek on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:47AM (#21991865)
Well I was exactly like you with our new born.

After 1 she also got increasingly harder to feed. She would throw away the spoon with her hand and not open her mouth. Just a massive rebel in general. We were really stressed out. She was starting to fall off the growth curve. Pediatrician was concerned too.

Then while eating we once showed her ABC kinds wheels on bus go round and round rhyme video, not sure what clicked in her brain. It was a night/day difference. No rebel , eats well.

So we kinda use it as the last resort and feel a bit guilty.

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by awinder on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @05:58PM (#21996686)
Before you’re a parent you kinda have these conceived notions of how you will parent that are all based on a self-centered view. Which i say in the sense of the word, they are views on how you are going to parent because you think _____ (a you-you combo). Then you have a kid and the reality hits — this is a young person with their own ideas. You have ways that you want to parent that are going to conflict with what they want, so you have to navigate and negotiate.

You used something they wanted as a carrot stick (couldn’t not) to get mutually beneficial behavior, you’re still gonna feel guilt but this seems well done to me.

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by kennydude on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @05:23AM (#21978655)
Sounds like the people behind the bootleg Peppa Pig videos are still going then :( https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/17/peppa-pig...
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by iso947 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @03:20AM (#21978072)
> A friends 1 year old was watching YT unsupervised

Parenting is not something you can automate

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by antisthenes on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @11:26AM (#21981439)
Number 1 issue here is parents allowing a 1 year old to watch online content instead of interacting with the world and playing with them.

Full stop.

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by spookthesunset on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:11PM (#21982716)
Thanks for your judgement.
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by antisthenes on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @01:33PM (#21982983)
You're welcome.

I'd rather judge and shame bad parents now than have to deal with their poorly behaved offspring later in society.

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by lurgburg on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:11PM (#21987226)
I guessing that judging and shaming a corporation's contribution to "poorly behaved offspring" is right out though
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by datashow on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:11AM (#21979584)
Or just play PBS kids, which has apps on multiple platforms, good quality, and totally free.

Right now my kids are small. I think PBS kids should be enough for them. When they want to find something else to watch, I know they just had too much screen time and they need to do something else other than watching TV.

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by developer2 on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:14PM (#21976770)
You replied to a comment where their primary concern is, quote: "When a scary clown jumps out and screams, that's traumatizing". Not porn, sexual innuendo, or pedophiles looking for potential victims. Not war, or violence, or even brainwashing advertisements. It's clowns... their primary fear about YouTube's content is the possibility their sensitive child will be exposed to a clown.

It's impossible to satisfy everyone, regardless of the content rules, and no mater how curated. YouTube could spend a billion dollars curating content, along with surveys where 90% of parents have to approve a video before it is included, and the remaining 10% would still be the vocal minority ruining it for everyone.

Sure, YouTube probably doesn't do quite enough. But when you have parents looking to let YouTube babysit their 2-8 year old children without supervision, whose fault is that? YouTube's, I'm sure. /s

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by _AzMoo on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:22PM (#21976809)
A scary clown. Like Pennywise. Randomly popping up and loudly screaming in the middle of an educational video about buses. I don't want my kids being exposed to that either, and I don't know any parents that would. The commenter wasn't talking about letting their children watch unsupervised, even supervising your children won't stop this type of thing from doing damage.
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Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by Angostura on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @04:16AM (#21978322)
I'm intrigued that you think that a video that causes persistent nightmares, being afraid to go to bed and trouble sleeping across several nights can't be described as 'damaging'
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by barry-cotter on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:09AM (#21980595)
For something to be damaging there would have to be some damage somewhere. You wouldn’t describe a bad head cold as dancing and that will absolutely lead to a pissed off two year old with trouble sleeping for several nights.

When I taught kindergarten one of the children in the youngest class at the time was terrified of the Eensy Weensy Spider video and of the Elephant in a Hickory Dickory Dock video. I told her to close her eyes when it was coming up. She did. Eventually she got over it.

The idea that a scary clown can be “damaging” is a testament to helicopter parenting. Up to 1900 it would be a rare person indeed that didn’t have siblings die before they were ten and basically no one would make it b that far without having a friend or family member die. That’s trauma. That’s damaging.

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by colejohnson66 on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @10:52PM (#21998421)
> For something to be damaging there would have to be some damage somewhere.

You seem to think emotional trauma isn’t real. It is. And studies of its effects show that it is just as harmful to the brain as physical trauma.

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by Kaiyou on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:48AM (#21981046)
I'd describe it as a learning experience. If you don't get opportunities to grow up, you stay a child forever. Having said that, I wouldn't allow anyone younger than six to watch anything on a screen anywhere.
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by Angostura on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:04PM (#21987175)
I had a friend who lost a finger holding a firework. Learning experiences can be damaging.
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by nojvek on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:15AM (#21977744)
Dunno man. Kids have nightmares about all sorts of things. They cry all night and want to be cuddled with.

If nightmares and screaming is repeated over and over again, it can lead to some very traumatic experiences in their young brains.

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by samat on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:21AM (#21977777)
Kids want to be cuddled no matter what. That’s how humans are wired.
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by joshspankit on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:55AM (#21979469)
Look up the cartoon characters getting run over by cars, or the very disturbing rabbit hole of injection videos. Kids at a certain age take what they see and hear as core truth, and when there’s violence at hat level it leaves a lasting mark.
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by barry-cotter on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @10:14AM (#21980642)
Have you ever read any of the original Grimm’s Fairy Tales? They are gruesome. Cinderella’s step sisters cut off parts of their feet to fit into the slipper kind of gruesome. Children have been dealing with this kind of stuff for a long, long time. Life leaves a lasting mark. If they’re terrified and nothing bad happens they learn they can deal with this. I wouldn’t do that deliberately to a child but lasting mark does not mean lasting harm.
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by joshspankit on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @11:42AM (#21993010)
Simply because trauma has kept past generations “safe” by teaching them to avoid any potential harm, does not mean it’s the best option.

Previous generations also used to “instil” a sense of fear in to children by beating them. It does make them listen as they are then ruled by fear-inducing trauma and yet I think we’re all clear on how it’s not the best option for their growth.

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by ebrenes on Wednesday January 08, 2020 @09:28AM (#21991717)
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by _AzMoo on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @07:02PM (#21986686)
You think a lifelong clown phobia doesn't count as damage?
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by jedberg on Monday January 06, 2020 @11:40PM (#21976898)
The clown was just an example, and it's not just "a clown", it was something designed specifically to frighten young children, where the poster had gamed YouTube's systems to have it show up in the kids section.

And I never let the watch unsupervised. But at least with every other streaming service, I don't need to preview the content ahead of time.

Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by ben174 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:10AM (#21977079)
Wow. Who /are/ these people? What is their goal? Are there really people on earth with the exclusive motive to scare a two year old and give her nightmares? That is some next level evil.
Re:Better protecting kids’ privacy on YouTube by gnu8 on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @08:41AM (#21979792)
The source of these videos could be anything from lone assholes to a state sponsored program to destabilize western civilization. Without tracking down the person who uploaded a given video and hitting them with a sock full of quarters until they explain themselves, it is impossible to know.