Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by chrisco255 on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:08PM
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Yeah but that was in an age before clickbait and "In this house, we believe science is real" yard signs.
People are too bought into science as a source for truth instead of being a messy, difficult method of discovery.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by ncmncm on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:18PM
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When chemists were asked, at the end of the 19th century, whether the the atoms in their molecular diagrams were real, they always said, "No, that's just a model we use." It wasn't until Brownian motion needed actual atoms that they began to say atoms had objective reality.
Cosmologists could learn a lot from 19th-century chemists.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by mannykannot on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:09PM
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I think there were a lot of chemists at that time who were confident that atoms are real, but an influential group of philosophically-minded physicists (Mach, for one) objected to the claim on the basis that the evidence was circumstantial. They gave Boltzmann a good deal of unnecessary grief over the matter (no pun intended).
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by ncmncm on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:26PM
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Yes, all chemists suspected atoms were real, but they were mostly careful not to claim to have evidence for it that they did not, in fact, have -- yet! Nobody but nobody was surprised when we turned out to really have atoms. It was all a relief, but it didn't change much about how chemistry was conducted. It made catalysis easier to understand, and ultimately DNA as a physical basis for life that made biologists generally very uneasy. Many had thought of themselves as studying something divine, and had to get used to being chemists.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by mr_mitm on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @04:05AM
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You know what they say. Or at least what Lev Landau supposedly said: "Cosmologists are often in error, but never in doubt."
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by wallace_f on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:36PM
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It might be cultural. I think it is. Being unsure or humble is not valued as much as it should be.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by ncmncm on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:45PM
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It is valued more in more consequential fields. What cosmologists believe never has any legitimate effect on public policy, except to the degree that they command budgets for telescopes, accelerators, and detector arrays.
Re:Evidence that the key assumption made in discovery of dar...
by ShorsHammer on Monday January 06, 2020 @07:46PM
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Generally called aether, believe that ether is a misspelling which has lingered.
This is nonsense. Scientists have been wrong in several occasions, it is just part of the profession. For example, in the years leading to the discovery of relativity, many physicists believed there was something called "ether" that worked to fix the speed of light that they had evidence to be the same in all directions.