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Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by ahoy on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:19PM (#21973439)
There is an enormous body of law in the US that incentivizes a top-down corporate business structure and disincentives a co-op business structure.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by giggles_giggles on Monday January 06, 2020 @05:03PM (#21973933)
This is quite a claim, but it's too vague for me to research independently. Where would I even start in exploring the "enormous body of law" that "incentivizes a top-down corporate business structure?" I am not asking rhetorically -- this is news to me and I'd like to know the details.

Of course, co-ops aren't common in the US, but they do exist (like REI) so I'm just curious about the details of this criticism of the legal landscape in the US but without further information am unable to research the claim.

Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by emiliobumachar on Monday January 06, 2020 @05:46PM (#21974349)
Arguably that's exactly the problem. There's so much law applying to farming that you'd need a sizable legal department to know it all. That favors centralization.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by Nasrudith on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @12:52PM (#21982482)
That applies to every field as corner cases are covered. Restricting it to what is actually relevant to the domain is sufficent to "consultation with relevant country lawyer" as opposed to entire law firms.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by jessant on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:32PM (#21973579)
I think human nature incentivizes top-down corporate business structures and disincentivizes co-op businesss structures.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by apt-get on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:40PM (#21973669)
Which is why 75% of France's farmers belong to an agricultural cooperative?
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by seanalltogether on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:56PM (#21975003)
I can't speak for France specifically but if it's anything like the UK and Ireland then farming families are dis-incentivized to sell land because its costs nothing to hold, and always increases in value. As a farmer you might not even own the land you work on but rent it for the season, and large corporations don't work well with that kind of uncertainty.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by cpach on Monday January 06, 2020 @05:14PM (#21974056)
Are those profitable though? Farming is heavily subsidized by the EU.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by Apocryphon on Monday January 06, 2020 @05:27PM (#21974174)
And American agriculture is likewise heavily subsidized by the federal government.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by ahoy on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:04PM (#21974517)
US agriculture is also heavily subsidized
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by jelliclesfarm on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:46AM (#21977915)
Only commodity crops and those listed on Wall Street/stock exchange.

Not the food and vegetables and fruits we consume. Hogs and corn and sugar beets and canola and soy are subsidized.

Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by dredmorbius on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:37PM (#21974811)
Farming is heavily subsidised throughout the industrialised world.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by chad_oliver on Monday January 06, 2020 @07:24PM (#21975257)
Farming in New Zealand is not subsidized, and I believe the same is true of Australia. It's possible to compete on the open market and succeed.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by jelliclesfarm on Tuesday January 07, 2020 @02:51AM (#21977937)
NZ used to have subsidies but they got rid of it. Good for them. Fonterra is their big co-op. But with Chinese investment/ownership, most of it is going towards milk powder for export. They posted a loss for the first time last year. Canada has subsidies but different from American. They use a system called Supply Management. They make smaller family farms work better and will survive unlike American dairy. We have more CAFOs and factory farms that are not ecologically and environmentally sustainable in the long run. It’s a mess.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by chottocharaii on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:41PM (#21973672)
Perhaps, but the body of law point means we’ll never find out if you’re right or not.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by NeoBasilisk on Monday January 06, 2020 @05:17PM (#21974079)
I would be very careful in trying to attribute something as complex as corporate structures to human nature. We have seen massive changes in all parts of society throughout the last 10k years. I don't think the human genome has changed so rapidly as to cycle through slavery, feudalism, mercantilism, capitalism, etc.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by andrepd on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:12PM (#21976071)
It's always such a convenient and supremely lazy explanation. It's human nature for blacks to be servile. It's human nature for peasants to be ruled by the lord of the manor. And so on.
Re:For tech-weary Midwest farmers, 40-year-old tractors now ... by hinkley on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:46PM (#21974899)
> Nothing stopping people from doing that.

So... human nature. Human nature is stopping people from doing that.