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Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by vanderZwan on Monday January 06, 2020 @03:54AM (#21967667)
> I have to do a lot less maintenance, and when I do it's more varied and interesting.

The irony is that people think a lawn is easier to maintain because it looks simpler

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by pm215 on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:51AM (#21968421)
It is simpler in the sense that there is not really any thought required. I have to mow my small lawn every three weeks or so, true, but I know how to do that, because it's the same thing everybody does and you grow up watching your parents mow the lawn. It requires no judgement skills, and no gardening skills -- just run the mower over all the grass, and you're done. I would actually potentially be interested in having something less dull than just a lawn, but I wouldn't know where to start (what would work in my climate/levels of sun/shade/etc, what do I need to do, when does it need planting, does it need watering, all that). Keeping grass is simpler than that.
Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by alistairSH on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:21AM (#21969280)
Depending on where you live, you could start with introducing clover into your yard. It grows well in most of the US, tends to be more drought tolerant than many grasses, is easier on the soil (requires less soil treatment), and flowers nicely part of the season, which is great for bees and other pollinators. It will co-exist with grasses, so you don't need to do anything beyond tossing seed in the early spring and letting it germinate, just as you would do with grass seed.

Weekly maintenance is similar - just mow it (though let it grow long when it's flowering - cut off the flowers and you lose the pollinators).

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by pm215 on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:42AM (#21969924)
I'm in the UK. My lawn is about 1/3 clover already, as it happens, just by natural process of it being stuff that grows better in the conditions on that part of the lawn. I don't consider that to be not-a-lawn, it's fairly normal I think, and the management is no different to the grass. (My 'lawn' overall is about 1/3 grass, 1/3 mostly-clover, 1/3 mostly-moss: the grass grows well on the sunny side, the moss beats out everything else on the side that's almost perpetually in shade by the south-side fence, and the clover wins in the middle-zone between them.)
Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by nogabebop23 on Monday January 06, 2020 @01:21PM (#21971530)
I only half-joke about cultivating crab grass; it's green, grows flat so never needs mowing and is drought-resistent. I never walk on the lawn in our front yard and could really care less about what the neighbours think. Resists inconsiderate dog-walkers as well...
Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by alistairSH on Monday January 06, 2020 @02:32PM (#21972295)
The bane of my existence!

Not really, but I hate the stuff. I finally managed to get most of it plucked out of my front yard. Hopefully the additional clover will displace it fully next season.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by cptskippy on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:24AM (#21968912)
I guess maybe that's a regional thing. In the southeast US, lawn care is a year round battle against weeds and invasive species. Without weeding and chemicals, grass can easily be choked out in one growing season. Mowing the actual lawn is a very small part of the regiment.

It's particularly difficult with the mild Winters we have had of late because it's almost as if spring goes from December to May now. Sods like Bermuda or St Augustine still go dormant in fall but the weeds don't stop growing.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by folkrav on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:10AM (#21969202)
Might have to do with the grass type? One thing that shocked me when I went to Florida was how coarse (larger strands and way stiffer) the grass was compared to where I live (Canada). I eventually learned it's simply a different type to deal with climate differences. I'm admittedly not very knowledgeable with everything plant, but it wouldn't sound odd to me if I learned that it could also mean different care. Up here it's mostly weeding, adding soil where needed and reseeding every spring, mowing it every couple of weeks, and watering once in a while. Maybe 2-3 rounds of chemicals a year if you want that healthy deep green lawn look.
Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by cptskippy on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:54AM (#21970044)
> Might have to do with the grass type? One thing that shocked me when I went to Florida was how coarse (larger strands and way stiffer) the grass was compared to where I live (Canada).

Grass types are a reflection of the climate and vary dramatically due to factors such as sun, growing season, and soil composition. In Florida the soil composition is mostly sand, and they receive a lot of year round sun so the predominant grass is St. Augustine because it thrives and produces thick turf that chokes out weeds.

St. Augustine is also very similar to Crab Grass, which is considered a weed in many places, like Georgia. And it is easily killed by all but a few herbicides (e.g. MSM). So while St. Augustine is great in Florida, doesn't work well in Georgia where the soil composition promotes more aggressive weeds, and the tree canopy inhibits St. Augustine's growth.

In other words, Florida grass is Georgia weeds.

> Up here it's mostly weeding, adding soil where needed and reseeding every spring, mowing it every couple of weeks, and watering once in a while. Maybe 2-3 rounds of chemicals a year if you want that healthy deep green lawn look.

In the south your yard can grow 4-6 inches a week and during the growing season you sometimes have to mow as frequently as every 5 days. The mowing season in Georgia is from March to November for grasses that go dormant, it's year round for those that don't.

Weeding is a year-round chore and many people opt for year round weed services that spray for weeds on a monthly basis if not more frequently. Pre-emergent weed control is put down in February or March, and other herbicides are used through out the spring and summer.

Fertilizer is only done a couple times a year and varies depending on the type of grass.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by jrumbut on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:26AM (#21969304)
People way overcomplicate this.

It's OK to kill plants so just get a small variety and see which ones take over. They sort themselves out or they don't and you try again next year.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by dyeje on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:25AM (#21968917)
Installing a native lawn does require a startup cost, but it's not too bad. You kill your grass, lay down mulch, and plant the native species. After a few months of watering, your lawn is self sufficient and you don't have to do anything to it ever again. Picking out the native species might seem daunting, but there are many resources online these days to help you pick out a handful of native species that will work for your lawn.

Source: friends and I installed native lawns.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by nerdponx on Thursday January 09, 2020 @05:05PM (#22006402)
Do native lawns attracts more ticks in areas with high tick populations? Seems like a possibly significant health risk considering that Lyme disease seems to be increasingly common.

I'm personally a huge fan of native lawns, but this is always in the back of my mind and I haven't seen it addressed.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by stinos on Monday January 06, 2020 @07:52AM (#21968725)
Keeping grass is simpler than that.

Just mowing less isn't perhaps simpler by the definition of it but is way better for biodiversity. You could try it in just a small piece of your current lawn and see what happens. Mow once near the end of spring and again once 3 to 4 months later. Shouldn't take long before native flowering plants will pop up.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by stinos on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:41AM (#21967861)
This. In what lawn-owners treat as mowing season, more than half of the year here, they spend several hours a month with motorized devices keeping the grass trimmed. Meaning they also pay for the device and the energy to keep it running. And the trimmings are usually wasted. So all in all: pretty expensive thing, that lawn. And to stay on topic: pretty much dead as far as nature is considered as well. Almost like a local farmer once put it: you might just as well have concrete and paint it green. Same looks but cheaper and no maintainance.

We on the other hand make hay. Meaning depending on the year, we spend several hours once or twice a year to cut the meadow (by scythe, but that's just because I like that). And then some more time to turn the hay and bale it to produce something which is then worth some money. And yields vivid fauna&flora (we also never cut everything every year, some random parts can stay till the next year). Still I get neighbours telling me 'wow that's a lot of work you put in there'. At first I thought they were joking but theye are not: I really have to do the math for them to make them realize several hours every month is way more work than what I do (and that's not even talking about the money spent). I'm not sure why that is. Maybe they perceive running behind a mower or sitting on one not as work. Or not as lost time. Or they see a scythe and think it's extremely hard work.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by biztos on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:35AM (#21969369)
I agree it's probably better and more fun and maybe less "work" to have a garden or wild plants than a lawn, but:

> you might just as well have concrete and paint it green

No, you would miss out on the feel of soft grass under your bare feet, and your kids and dogs would be having a whole lot less fun playing in the yard.

> Maybe they perceive running behind a mower or sitting on one not as work. Or not as lost time.

A lot of people find lawn-mowing relaxing. It's light physical labor, it has an immediate payoff, it involves motors and/or engines and/or tools depending on your preference, and the smell of fresh-cut grass is amazing.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by stinos on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:13AM (#21969692)
No, you would miss out on the feel of soft grass under your bare feet

Should have made this more clear perhaps, but I only put in that farmer's concrete quote (which I don't agree with for the reasons you mention) for the biodiversity aspect not everything else grass-related :)

A lot of people find lawn-mowing relaxing.

Yes but that is true for me as well so doesn't really explain why more than one neighbour made a similar comment about me spending more time mowing than they do while in reality it's the opposite, by far. Maybe it's just coincidence (N=3) and/or maybe they were just making conversation or so.

probably better

Considering the biological side, it's way beyond 'probably'. For example [1] gives a rather high-level overview and [2] goes into (one of) the more specific aspects. [3] also talks about the history/future bits.

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/nature19092 [2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000632071... [3] https://science.sciencemag.org/content/362/6411/148.full

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by hvidgaard on Monday January 06, 2020 @04:55AM (#21967939)
If you buy a robot lawn mower, it is.
Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by MattRix on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:33AM (#21968331)
Maintaining a lawn is more than just mowing it. There's aerating/seeding, watering, pulling-weeds/pest-spraying, etc.

The mowing is the easiest part, at least for my relatively small lawn.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by hvidgaard on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:23AM (#21968909)
Let's say we have a super well maintained lawn here in Denmark. You would have to do the following once every season:

  * Aerate/seed (realistically not necessary to do every year). 
  * Fertilize.
  * Pull weeds (mostly dandelions).
For a normal house that amounts to at most one weekends work.

Compared to a well established bed of flowers, which every season at the very least needs:

  * Fertilize
  * Trim plants that begin taking over.
For a garden with flower beds the size of the typical lawn I'd say there is at least the same amount of work required. And you need to have quite a bit more knowledge for it to be easy, compared to a lawn anyway.

For a vegetable garden there is significantly more work involved.

  * Germinate
  * Ready the soil
  * Work in manure
  * Plant / transplant
  * Keep weeds down.
  * Some plants need a trellis.
  * Mulch.
    * Keep weeds down where the mulch failed.
  * Continuously maintain the vegetables health to ensure good harvest.
  * Harvest
  * Clean up the beds
  * Plant green manure
  * Plan next year, rotate crops ect.
There is realistically something to do every single week.

If you live a place where it rains enough for the grass to make it on it's own, it's the path of least resistance only bested by a concrete slab, or perhaps tiled that you spray to kill weeds.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by foxhop on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:53AM (#21969099)
The traditional vegetable garden is slightly more human work than a lawn, but the perennial food garden is significantly less work than a lawn (for example apple trees with mulch, requires only harvest in the fall and pruning during winter)

A woodchip mulched strawberry patch uses requires zero human labor except from harvest and the occasional propagation of runner plants which 4x each year. All you have to do is cover with leaves, straw, or evergreen branches to help the crowns over winter and they will be back each year.

Raspberry canes will literally walk all over your property and only need to be mulched (with leaves, grass clippings, or woodchips) to keep them looking tidy)

The gas used to power mowers is a huge subsidy. A vegetable garden bed uses a lot less energy and time. Remember to cover vegetable garden beds in fall and winter.

All of the bullets on your list are optional in a veg garden and perennial garden. I don't rotate my crops unless I have a compelling reason to do so (like a pest eating all my potatoes)

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by hvidgaard on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:05AM (#21969169)
Having greenhouses, vegetable garden, perennial food, and a lawn - the lawn is what requires the least amount of work for me, and I don't even have a robotic lawn mower.

For perennial crops, you still need to do more work. Manure (and you have to source it too), mulch and pruning is a bare minimum. If you care about the harvest, you have to continuously keep an eye on it and treat various problems. For apples in particular it's imperative to remove monilia infected fruit continuously, and especially after harvest. You also have to prune the crop to ensure a larger harvest.

A garden is as much or as little work as you make it, but a lawn is probably the lowest bar of minimum work if you get enough rain to water it. It didn't become popular because it's more useful that everything else, but because you really don't have to do much work to keep it.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by oauea on Monday January 06, 2020 @09:05AM (#21969171)
You don't really have to do any of that if you just want to support the environment. Plants have managed just fine so far without human intervention.
Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by cowsandmilk on Monday January 06, 2020 @06:43AM (#21968371)
> There's aerating/seeding, watering, pulling-weeds/pest-spraying, etc.

If you have a grass that matches where you live and don’t mind your lawn occasionally being brown, none of that is needed.

Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by arethuza on Monday January 06, 2020 @07:19AM (#21968556)
Agreed, apart from mowing it fairly regularly from April - October I've never done any of those things to the area of grass we have. Mind you we are in Scotland so water supply isn't really a problem.
Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by Kye on Monday January 06, 2020 @10:47AM (#21969975)
It was interesting watching people complain about the grass not growing on The Walking Dead. Little do they know, that's normal. Especially when it never seems to rain on the show. It can jump after rain, but it stays short and brown for months in an especially dry year.
Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by astura on Monday January 06, 2020 @08:10AM (#21968814)
I've never done any of that nor do I know how. I've only mowed it, that's it.
Re:Renowned Entomologist Says ‘Get Rid of Your Lawn’ by OGWhales on Monday January 06, 2020 @01:30PM (#21971647)
I am amazed I've only seen one of these ever. First saw it maybe 15 years ago, and would pass it on my way to school.

When Roomba came out everyone flipped like it was an amazing invention that nobody had thought of. All I could think of was that little yellow lawn mower diligently mowing its grass. Cute little guy is still running today.

Why don't more people have these? I'm gonna buy one when I have a yard.

edit: I see they are decently expensive. If they work still totally worth it.