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Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by kilroy123 on Thursday December 19, 2019 @12:14PM (#21836854)
While that's all very understandable, at the very least give some kind of generic rejection.

This was many years ago, but one time I did an all-day onsite interview (~6 hours long) and I was ghosted and never heard from the company again.

That infuriates me even to this day. At least give me some kind of news that it was a no.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by awinder on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:34PM (#21840392)
The asymmetry is actually pretty funny if you think about what happens when a candidate declines an offer or ghosts a company.

If you ghost, they’re likely going to continue to contact over multiple channels. Because they want an answer so that they can take next steps. Same as a candidate.

If you say thanks but no thanks, they’re going to want to know why, is there anything they could have done differently, or try to convince you that you have it wrong.

There’s basic human reasons for these very common reactions, we just put a construct in front of one of those groups and tried to explain it away as being acceptable.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by adamredwoods on Thursday December 19, 2019 @07:24PM (#21840701)
Not asymmetrical, in my opinion. Companies are holding all the cards, otherwise I wouldn't be looking for a job in the first place. I believe that someday there will be too few jobs for all the people on this planet.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by HarryHirsch on Thursday December 19, 2019 @09:13PM (#21841218)
someday there will be too few jobs for all the people on this planet

There are too few jobs now. Paul Krugman called it a "savings glut". There are no opportunities to invest the cash you are holding productively, consequently interest rates are low and the best thing you can do is buy back your own stock.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by 1123581321 on Friday December 20, 2019 @07:44PM (#21848724)
Investors who sell to a buyback deploy the money elsewhere, including new issues and private investment, which leads to hiring.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by JMTQp8lwXL on Friday December 20, 2019 @10:39AM (#21844923)
Not completely true. You're holding some cards too if they're desperately needing a position filled.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by Jagat on Thursday December 19, 2019 @07:06PM (#21840585)
Yeah, but it's not likely they're going to sue you regardless of what reason you give for not accepting their offer.

There's asymmetry from the other side too.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by zymhan on Friday December 20, 2019 @02:05PM (#21846584)
Can people just drop "fear of being sued" as a catch-all reason for any behavior? It is incredibly expensive and time consuming to file a lawsuit. The average person doesn't go around suing other folks regularly.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by Jagat on Saturday December 21, 2019 @10:26AM (#21851576)
Filing a lawsuit can be quite profitable for the lawyers involved.

What's preventing someone from trying to extract $3M in settlement money from a rich company that doesn't want its reputation tarnished in a long running discrimination lawsuit?

And $3M is a lot of money that lawyers would eagerly represent someone that has an evidence of discrimination.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by awinder on Sunday December 22, 2019 @09:14AM (#21857184)
The time it would take out of your life (just because you hire lawyers doesn’t mean you’re spending no time on the lawsuit). And once you file that lawsuit it’s going to become public record that you sued a company you interviewed for, so there’s a lot of downside risk for the rest of your career. I understand the fear but I don’t think there’s realistically a lot of downside risk for employers to responsibly share some feedback. And certainly there’s no legal risk to just letting candidates know they went in a different direction.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by tuananh on Monday December 23, 2019 @02:45AM (#21862091)
they don't want the hassle of getting drag into one?
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by beezle on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:08PM (#21840230)
This is a societal problem and not just employer/jobseeker. "Friends" and aquaintances do it now. Vendors/contractors/trades people do it. Only a matter of time before our pets ghost us too.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by milesvp on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:39PM (#21840420)
Have you ever owned a cat? Growing up, my family consistently was adopted by neighborhood cats. It was bad enough that owners would knock on our door and ask us to not be so nice to their pets so they'd come home.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by adamredwoods on Thursday December 19, 2019 @07:25PM (#21840713)
With all the means to communicate with one another, are we getting better or worse at it?
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by conductr on Thursday December 19, 2019 @11:39PM (#21841746)
All the means reinforce impersonal interaction
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by jan_g on Thursday December 19, 2019 @12:25PM (#21837001)
Yeah, that's the worst. Going through 5+ interviews and then not getting any communication afterwards. Just send a simple 'No', is that so hard?
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by adamredwoods on Thursday December 19, 2019 @07:26PM (#21840717)
My thought is that they don't say "no" because they are waiting for their top pick to confirm or deny.

When I did hiring, I had several top candidates take a different position, so I had to go to a second or even third choice.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by kbr2000 on Thursday December 26, 2019 @12:31PM (#21885310)
They don't see that as part of their job. On the short term that behaviour probably doesn't create problems for them. On the long term, they likely will be responding to job adverts themselves :)

Anyway, no answer is sometimes preferable to some of the nonsensical standard doublespeak letters you might receive ("niet weerhouden...").

Respect is far to be found in these HR practices, in my experience. It usually reflects in the business who took them on board. Once you see through all these efforts to make people behave exactly like they want, I doubt there will be much workplaces left considering.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by DoofusOfDeath on Thursday December 19, 2019 @05:55PM (#21840115)
This happened to me with RedHat. They were my first choice, so being ghosted by them delayed my job search by several weeks. It was a serious problem for me.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by Koshkin on Thursday December 19, 2019 @08:29PM (#21841029)
I fail to see why. (Shouldn’t stop looking around, ever.)
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by MereInterest on Friday December 20, 2019 @12:02AM (#21841819)
You interview at two companies. Your first choice rejects you. Your second choice says yes immediately, then gives you time to decide.

If the first company rejects you and tells you so, you can immediately accept the second choice. If the first company rejects you and ghosts you, you instead wait a month hoping the first company will get back to you, then accept the second choice.

If you are willing to completely burn bridges, you could accept the second choice, with the intention of immediately leaving should you hear back from the first choice. While possible, I'd have some qualms about doing so.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by kazinator on Saturday December 21, 2019 @11:21AM (#21851886)
It's very simple. Contact the first choice, ABC, and tell them "Looks like things may be moving forward with XYZ. I have a preference for ABC, but we have fallen out of touch. If I don't hear from ABC in the next day or two, I will likely be signing with XYZ."

Be specific with the details, to make it clear there is no bluff. (If they are so inclined, they could call XYZ and confirm everything you said.) And if they don't respond, then go through with XYZ.

Anyway, unless the first versus second choice thing is about something concrete like compensation/benefits, or work location, a lot of it is just in your head; you have not actually worked at either place.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by DoofusOfDeath on Friday December 20, 2019 @09:14AM (#21844230)
Exactly this.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by r_c_a_d on Friday December 20, 2019 @10:37AM (#21844895)
A similar thing happened to me too; it was a 3 hour onsite. No news at all... until about 2 weeks later I got an automated request from the agent asking me to fill in a feedback form on how they did. I had fun filling in that form!
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by wgerard on Thursday December 19, 2019 @12:16PM (#21836886)
Not too many places will straight up ghost candidates that have done on-sites, that's pretty unusual.

Sometimes they'll dangle candidates if they're waiting to hear whether their first choice accepts, but even then it's rare not to communicate at all once you've done an on-site.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by nisse72 on Friday December 20, 2019 @03:18AM (#21842463)
Aviat Networks flew me to Wellington for a whole day interview a few years ago.

I was expected to prepare (in advance) a number of things including a technical presentation and detailed answers to a large number of questions, which took me several evenings and most of a weekend. I flew there on a monday for what was an exhausting full day of interviews before my return flight that evening. The recruiter phoned me the following day to say they were very impressed and would be making an offer, but there were some other people who wanted to meet me.

So a few days later I took another day off work to fly down for a second round of meetings. At the end of this second day I was told that the senior manager was abroad and they would finalise the offer when he returned.

I flew back home and waited a week or 10 days before emailing to hear how things were progressing. The recruiter responded "to recap, we are waiting for $manager to return before finalising the offer".

That was about 7 years ago, and it was the last thing I heard from them. I get that employers can't be bothered responding to every CV that crosses their desk, but this was a demanding process that cost me several days effort and 2 days salary. Maybe they lied when they said they liked me, I have no idea and don't really care. But I certainly didn't expect to be ghosted after all that.

A year or two later I had a new colleague who had been working there around the time of my interview, and I told him this story. His response? "You dodged a bullet".

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by RockIslandLine on Thursday December 19, 2019 @05:18PM (#21839873)
"Not too many places will straight up ghost candidates that have done on-sites, that's pretty unusual."

It's probably at least 50% of my interviews. Roughly 1/4 of my interviews have any kind of follow up at all.

It doesn't hurt to tell people that someone else was hired. Closure is important to job seekers.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by adamredwoods on Thursday December 19, 2019 @07:28PM (#21840731)
My stats from my latest job hunt sprint are about 50% as well.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by kstenerud on Thursday December 19, 2019 @12:33PM (#21837098)
It happens a lot. Even Google ghosted me after an all-day onsite interview in Mountain View in 2015.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by throw_7893456 on Thursday December 19, 2019 @12:51PM (#21837313)
Microsoft did the same to me, the same year. Product owner/manager position.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by zcw100 on Thursday December 19, 2019 @01:54PM (#21837944)
Bloomberg did it to me. Even blocked my phone number. I figured that out when I changed my caller id. It was back in the day when VoIP was new and they didn't expect that someone could do that. It was worth hearing the panic on the voice when they realized who it was.

The only reason I called was because they stiffed my the reimbursement for travel expenses which they had agreed to pay for. The HR turnover was so high that everyone I had talked to before the interview was gone by the time I put in for the reimbursement.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by reificator on Thursday December 19, 2019 @05:55PM (#21840119)
> The HR turnover was so high that everyone I had talked to before the interview was gone by the time I put in for the reimbursement.

Clearly things went your way if you didn't get the job in that environment.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by boring_twenties on Friday December 20, 2019 @12:15AM (#21841867)
Interesting, when I worked at Bloomberg we had a standard form letter for rejections that was sent every time. (Email)

Funny story about that, I'd set up a macro to fire off said email with one keypress. Finishing up a phone screen that went horribly, I thanked him for his time and all the other niceties, and pressed the key right as I was about to hang up.

"But wait! I have some questions for you, too!"

Cue the longest 5 minutes of my life.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by NullPrefix on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:25AM (#21842080)
Couldn't you just say the same thing over the phone? Or do you need to keep the mask on during the call? As if the rejection is only possible in the next turn.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by boring_twenties on Friday December 20, 2019 @01:40AM (#21842140)
24-year-old me didn't create the process, I just followed it. Well except for the part about waiting until the call is really over ;)

After reading some of the comments here about candidates who want to debate the interviewer's decision, it seems to make sense.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by ticmasta on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:04PM (#21840197)
Indeed did this to me after I completed and presented a 2-day paid project. Ironically for a role with their new assessment acqui-hire company...
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by avip on Thursday December 19, 2019 @12:48PM (#21837272)
I did 2 remote coding interviews for aws, years apart, and was ghosted twice.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by kova12 on Thursday December 19, 2019 @05:47PM (#21840071)
But the company too spent at least 6 man/hours to interviewing you. Whatever reason they had to not call you back, they didn't come out of it unscathed, interviewing someone is not cheap.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by lostapathy on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:07PM (#21840213)
That in no way absolves them of the responsibility to treat you like a human and give you a simple "no thanks."

This attitude it toxic and feels like you're looking to turn an interview into a lose-lose situation. It doesn't have to be.

Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by sjg007 on Thursday December 19, 2019 @07:14PM (#21840634)
I feel like people have forgotten the golden rule... everything has become transactional.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by goatinaboat on Sunday December 22, 2019 @07:27AM (#21856791)
Even if it is transactional it still makes sense. People talk and if a company gets a bad reputation it will be harder for them to recruit and retain which translates into a cash cost.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by ticmasta on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:02PM (#21840178)
likely far more than 6 hours, probably more like 50+ with all the people and tasks involved. But they also cost this as part of their model - I don't think it's fair for individuals to eat the cost of the hiring process dictated by prospective employers; that's why in-demand candidates won't put up with their nonsense.
Re:Reasons Why Job Seekers Are Not Given Feedback by ElFitz on Thursday December 19, 2019 @06:43PM (#21840444)
Sure, but they moved on, have stopped wasting their time and missing opportunities.

You, on the other hand, are quite possibly still thinking about it every day, and turning down or delaying (and missing) other offers.