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Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by ocdtrekkie on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:10PM (#21817408)
Mostly all you need to know about Microsoft's support lifecycle is that my Windows Mobile phone just got a security patch on Patch Tuesday, and apparently Microsoft also extended its support an extra month into January just because.

Microsoft platforms most people think are long dead and buried still get maintenance updates years later.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by chupa-chups on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:15PM (#21817473)
Like the Microsoft Azure "German Cloud", assured to be GDPR compliant. We spent quite some time and money to migrate from AWS to that solution in 2017.

Guess what? It has been shut down by the end of 2019.

We're back on AWS now. We were (I guess) not an insignificant customer, paying around 8k €/month, with the prospect of growing significantly (which has happened in the mean time, but on AWS).

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by paulddraper on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @03:47PM (#21818635)
??

They still have the GDPR-compliant Frankfurt and Berlin datacenters. [1] I've not see any announcement about closing them.

[1] https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/global-infrastructure/germ...

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by chupa-chups on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @03:55PM (#21818731)
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/germany/germany-welco...

Apparently they reversed their decision again, which kind of underlines what I said :)

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by paulddraper on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @04:00PM (#21818783)
> Existing customers can continue to use the current cloud services available today, which we’ll maintain with necessary security updates.

No one said MS developed new services for years and years and years; they said they supported existing offerings for a long time, which they do.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by chupa-chups on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @04:04PM (#21818814)
https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-is-discontinuing-the-germa...

https://hackernoon.com/microsoft-announces-the-end-of-the-ge...

https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/azure-docs/issues/14944

If you still don't believe me, please provide your public key or email address so I can publish a response.

Maybe it doesn't stand out: Microsoft Germany delivered the promise that US authorities are technically unable to access stored data. The "new" data centers were without that promise, making the USP obsolete.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by paulddraper on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @04:19PM (#21818952)
This is precisely my point:

> Existing customers can continue to use the current cloud services available today.

> Existing customers are not affected by this and can continue to use the Germany cloud without restriction.

You don't see any Windows Phones being sold, but they still years later being supported with security updates.

No one can possibly fault a business for stopping continuing development of an unpopular offering. It's when it becomes unsupported and leaves people stranded that the the real problems happen.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by Lammy on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:21PM (#21817575)
Microsoft have plenty of platforms and products that were abandoned overnight. It’s hard for me to even think of Windows Phone, for example, without thinking of what happened to WP7 buyers when they abruptly pivoted their mobile OS/runtime strategy with the incompatible WP8. The most they got was a WP7.8 update that skinned the immediately-dead platform to look like the new one.

It’s a matter of visibility and what kind of customers own the products being shut down. From a PR perspective there’s a big difference between killing an enterprise product with few large customers, and killing a consumer product with many small ones. Even if the few complaints are louder, the many complaints around the latter would still totally drown it out. I’m sure they have analytics to know how many people still use Windows Phones and weighing the possibility of an outcry e.g. if all their unsupported phones got 0wned and they collectively took to Twitter about it.

Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by wvenable on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:28PM (#21817644)
Windows Phone was like the opposite of Microsoft's strategy over the last several decades. They decided to move fast and break things like we're all told to do and they were roundly punished in the marketplace for it.
Re:Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microso... by jhoechtl on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @04:31PM (#21819091)
> At least a non-cloud service will work after it has been officially declared dead.