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Re:Biopharma has abandoned antibiotic development by refurb on Monday December 16, 2019 @03:27PM (#21806846)
Back in 2017, the FDA banned the use of medicinally important antibiotics in livestock.

https://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/food.html

Re:Biopharma has abandoned antibiotic development by dv_dt on Monday December 16, 2019 @03:41PM (#21806988)
This line item for allowed uses from that link:

* Prevent disease in animals that are at risk for becoming sick

Is pretty much a giant loophole.

Re:Biopharma has abandoned antibiotic development by refurb on Monday December 16, 2019 @03:51PM (#21807067)
If those animals are treated, they then need to be pulled out of the food supply until the antibiotic washes out.

It’s not in a farmers best interest to use an antibiotic in those circumstances unless the animal needs it.

Re:Biopharma has abandoned antibiotic development by Accujack on Monday December 16, 2019 @04:20PM (#21807319)
>until the antibiotic washes out.

This is part of the problem. If animals are given the antibiotics, then their waste products contain them, and piles of manure or water runoff/storm drains/wastewater ponds form a giant evolutionary experiment for development of drug resistant organisms.

They're not just a problem while they're in animals, they're a problem if they're used at all.

Re:Biopharma has abandoned antibiotic development by heavyset_go on Monday December 16, 2019 @07:06PM (#21809038)
Apparently, most antibiotics don't undergo metabolism in animals, and 40-90% of ingested antibiotics in livestock are excreted in urine and feces[1].

Those antibiotics go on to contaminate groundwater, and as you say, contribute significantly to antibiotic resistance[2].

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4220964/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_use_in_livestock#An...

Re:Biopharma has abandoned antibiotic development by Retric on Monday December 16, 2019 @03:57PM (#21807119)
That’s often irrelevant. If a cow is going to be slaughtered at 36 months, you can use antibiotics for 95% of their lifetime and still have a 50 days window at the end.
Re:Biopharma has abandoned antibiotic development by vibrio on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @01:44PM (#21817056)
> until the antibiotic washes out.

while I don't want surprise antibiotics in my food, I'm probably more concerned about the antibiotic resistance that antibiotic exposure generates. The flora of those animals _will_ have drug resistance genes that doesn't just "wash out". That resistnce can be passed to other animals or human by direct contact, environment or otherwise.

Re:Biopharma has abandoned antibiotic development by Johnny555 on Monday December 16, 2019 @08:26PM (#21809572)
Does that make any practical difference for animals meant for consumption like beef cattle, hogs, or chickens? You can give them all the antibiotics you want until a few days before slaughter.
Re:Biopharma has abandoned antibiotic development by vibrio on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @02:09PM (#21817396)
It does. The animals will be colonized by bacteria that have "learned" to deal with all those antibiotics you gave. That resistance is easily transmitted.
Re:Biopharma has abandoned antibiotic development by Johnny555 on Tuesday December 17, 2019 @04:45PM (#21819240)
I understand the problem with antibiotic resistance, but telling a farmer that an animal treated by antibiotics can't enter the food supply until after treatment ends doesn't really solve the problem when it comes to animals raised as food -- the farmer can treat the animal with antibiotics for nearly all of its life, only stopping the treatment just before slaughter.
Re:Biopharma has abandoned antibiotic development by vibrio on Thursday December 19, 2019 @09:58AM (#21835398)
Totally agreed. I'm naive to much around Ag/Husbandry. If that's what farmers do, that is a concern. From a microbiology point of view, the concept that "washing out" the drug before slaughter improves anything is flawed. It will be a reservoir of smoldering antibiotic resistance as long as that practice persists.
Re:Biopharma has abandoned antibiotic development by heavyset_go on Monday December 16, 2019 @03:31PM (#21806889)
That's good to know, thanks for the link. However, up until recently, you could buy 55-gallon drums of antibiotics without a license on sites like Alibaba.