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Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by keiferski on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:41PM (#21775508)
An old iPod touch/tablet with WiFi might be a sufficient replacement.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by JohnFen on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:54PM (#21775657)
I'm not a fan of the Apple ecosystem, so that doesn't work for me specifically. But I am going to carry a pocket computer that doesn't have cellphone capabilities to replace what I use a smartphone for. And it will be running ordinary Linux, not Android.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by christefano on Thursday December 12, 2019 @03:49PM (#21776284)
I’m curious, as well, what Linux flavor you’re planning to use. I’ve been considering loading Maru¹ on to an old Nexus 5X, and I wonder if that’s what you have planned, too.

There’s just something about running LineageOS on an old Galaxy Tab 2 (still Android, although apparently the hardware support is phenomenal) that has me trawling eBay for cheap tablets.

¹ https://maruos.com/

Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by JohnFen on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:39PM (#21777362)
Well, I'm undecided. Since I'm beginning the process of shifting my machines from Linux to BSD, my inclination is to use BSD if I can. If there's a showstopper there, then I'll go with Debian.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by abawany on Thursday December 12, 2019 @04:00PM (#21776406)
Same for a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 for me. Works very well though I believe LineageOS has abandoned updates for the device. Battery replacements take minutes to do as well.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by dredmorbius on Thursday December 12, 2019 @04:10PM (#21776506)
Purism and Pine are looking interesting.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by purgatio on Thursday December 12, 2019 @03:20PM (#21775981)
That is intriguing. 95% of my phone utilization could be replaced by a disconnected pocket computer that syncs wikipedia / email / news every morning.

Come to think of it, would an iphone with the cellular network disabled do?

Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by macNchz on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:15PM (#21777148)
Indeed a smartphone with no sim card is ideal for what's being discussed here, because even without a cell plan it can call 911.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by jascii on Thursday December 12, 2019 @06:42PM (#21777767)
Keep in mind though that even without a SIM location data will still be accessible/stored by the network providers through the devices IMEI number.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by jkaplowitz on Thursday December 12, 2019 @09:11PM (#21778580)
Maybe a good fix for this edge-case scenario would be an optional feature to normally refrain from connecting to the networks (i.e. airplane mode) but to override that and connect straightaway when an emergency call is placed?
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by jki275 on Thursday December 12, 2019 @09:56PM (#21778768)
I believe if you’ve turned off the phone radio (airplane mode), that should not be the case.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by jascii on Friday December 13, 2019 @10:43AM (#21782507)
This would be true assuming the phone has not previously been compromised. Not a safe assumption considering baseband backdoors have been found in the wild and are suspected to be fairly wide spread. https://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/Samsung...
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by HeWhoLurksLate on Friday December 13, 2019 @10:59AM (#21782681)
Airplane mode
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by JohnFen on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:49PM (#21777453)
This is true -- and if you're happy with Android or iOS, then that's probably the best recommendation. But I don't use iOS, and a big part of the appeal of this for me is to be able to stop using Android.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by Diederich on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:57PM (#21775691)
Cool; can you share which one you're thinking about using? Thanks.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by JohnFen on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:40PM (#21777365)
I'm building my own.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by boring_twenties on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:49AM (#21779395)
Don't leave us hanging like that, bro. Are you going to start with a generic ARM dev board, or what?
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by JohnFen on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:14PM (#21783390)
The prototype I have breadboarded up uses an ARM dev board (I'm keeping close to the chip that R-Pis use, so I can leverage that existing code), but the end product will be a PCB of my own design.

Once I've completed the project, it's very likely that I'll write it up on one of my websites. I'll submit the link to HN at that time so everyone can see what I've done.

The short and sweet, it's an ARM-based micro, with WiFi, Bluetooth, a couple of USB ports and an HDMI output (to use with a HUD that I have). It will have an old-school color 4-inch LCD with resistive touch for its screen (not ideal, but the best I can do right now. I'll work on upgrading that to an OLED w/capactive touch in version 2). It will also have 8 physical buttons, because I like physical buttons. It will be in a 3D printed case. The total size will be roughly the same as an average thin smartphone, but will be a mm or two thicker.

It will link up with my watch, which will be the primary way I interact with it on a daily basis. My goal is that 90% of the time I won't need to actually handle the device itself.

Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by boring_twenties on Friday December 13, 2019 @01:54PM (#21784273)
Sounds awesome, looking forward to your future post!

Are you using an existing smartwatch or building something yourself there too?

Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by JohnFen on Friday December 13, 2019 @04:26PM (#21785677)
Right now, I'm using a Pebble, but I think that watch doesn't have too many years left in it, so I've been looking at building a new one. That's a future project, though.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by boring_twenties on Saturday December 14, 2019 @06:41PM (#21793200)
Inspiring, I hope to read future details of your progress!
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by SirLotsaLocks on Thursday December 12, 2019 @03:18PM (#21775958)
out of curiosity, which pocket computer are you going with? I have been interested in this idea as well.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by thebean11 on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:11PM (#21777116)
Is it though? Pretty hard to live without mobile data, let alone texting and calling outside of a WiFi hotspot
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by JohnFen on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:42PM (#21777390)
It depends on your needs. Right now, I use very nearly zero mobile data with my smartphone -- 99.9% of the time, if I need internet access then I'm within range of a WiFi AP I can use. Texting and phone calls, as well as mobile data, can be done with a feature phone that allows tethering.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by fwip on Thursday December 12, 2019 @09:57PM (#21778776)
Won't the cops just track you by your feature phone location?
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by JohnFen on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:17PM (#21783423)
If they want to, sure. But that's not a threat vector that I'm really worried about -- and should that be a concern for some reason, I can always yank the battery.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by OrgNet on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:16PM (#21777160)
if you turn WiFi and bluetooth OFF, you might be ok... otherwise your location can still be tracked.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by twistiti on Thursday December 12, 2019 @06:27PM (#21777675)
Modern smartphones keep recording WiFi access points even when you toggle WiFi off.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by boring_twenties on Friday December 13, 2019 @12:51AM (#21779403)
That's a setting that can be disabled in Android (assuming they're not straight up lying of course), it even asks you about it during initial device setup, separately from enabling location services in general.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by znhll on Thursday December 12, 2019 @07:20PM (#21777984)
I still waiting for a non-Android phone with a physical radio cut-off switch, and removable battery... not holding my breath though :(
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by drewbug on Thursday December 12, 2019 @07:57PM (#21778192)
Librem 5?