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Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by giancarlostoro on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:37PM (#21775454)
Or own a "burner" type of phone with minimal data about yourself.

Alternatively what RMS does is he shuts off his phone and only turns it on when he needs to use it.

Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by bilbo0s on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:50PM (#21775615)
Burner phones have a lot more info about you than people think.

Or at least I know that in one court case there was a nice big 8x10 of the defendant purchasing a burner phone. Apparently a lot of Point of Sale systems, especially where they sell burner phones, are wired to take a nice portrait of you when you purchase. I didn't know that at the time, and apparently, neither did the defendant.

That, combined with the location of his phone matching the location of his license plate around town did him in.

So if you try the burner phone thing, someone else has to buy it, and you should never take it with you to places where there are likely to be security cameras. And you also might want to refrain from driving with it in your vehicle.

Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by jmpman on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:56PM (#21775681)
Not sure if I want to live my life like I’m planning a bank robbery at any minute. Seems more effective to petition your representative to restrict use of this data.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by shoes_for_thee on Thursday December 12, 2019 @04:48PM (#21776895)
the fucked up part is that the government is apparently living their life as if you're planning a bank robbery any minute.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by ColanR on Thursday December 12, 2019 @03:11PM (#21775859)
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be much difference between that and just trying to enjoy a modicum of privacy.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by a1369209993 on Thursday December 12, 2019 @04:44PM (#21776861)
Well the assumption when proposing a plan is that we want the plan to actually accomplish something. If we don't care about effectiveness, then "ignore the problem and hope it goes away" is clearly the best option.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by heavyset_go on Thursday December 12, 2019 @03:51PM (#21776294)
If you're being targeted by the government, this is something you should be aware of. Using today's convenient tech can get you locked up or killed.

However, if state persecution isn't part of your threat model, a burner is one layer of indirection that might make tracking and identification difficult for surveillance companies.

Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by ghostpepper on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:44PM (#21775553)
If Edward Snowden is to be believed then you can only be sure your phone is truly off when the battery is out.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by bdamm on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:52PM (#21775633)
Yes, sadly phones with removable batteries seem to be antiques now.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by abawany on Thursday December 12, 2019 @04:02PM (#21776423)
There are still plenty of slightly-used phones with removable batteries that work quite well. Galaxy Note 3 and 4 (possibly 5?) for a start. I recently got a Moto E5 brand new and it too has a removable battery.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by a1369209993 on Thursday December 12, 2019 @04:40PM (#21776825)
Not even then; many electronic devices (PCs, for example!) have coin-cell backup batterys or large capacitors to keep RTCs and the like running during a battery replacement (or mains power outage).
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by im3w1l on Friday December 13, 2019 @01:41AM (#21779607)
Since radio and gps use a lot of battery, I wonder if a coincell could really power them.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by a1369209993 on Friday December 13, 2019 @08:34PM (#21787195)
You don't actually need to transmit the data off a backup battery, just store it and ship it out once a proper power supply is reattached. (You lose the data if someone destroys their phone, but that's a much narrower range of scenarios than "turn it off, but for real".) I don't recall GPS recievers being particularly power-intensive, but there's plenty of other sensors to log, most notably the microphone.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by im3w1l on Saturday December 14, 2019 @02:51AM (#21788362)
You don't use your phone for navigation a lot do you? It drains the battery very quickly.

I mentioned radio, because wifi / cell tower triangulation can be used to infer location.

Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by landcoctos on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:43PM (#21775541)
If you take this "burner" to your home or place of work it would be trivial to identify the owner.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by giancarlostoro on Thursday December 12, 2019 @03:06PM (#21775792)
People with burners would have strict rules like keeping the battery disconnect except for when they actually need said phone.
Re:Google Gives Feds 1,500 Phone Locations in Unprecedented ... by zelly on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:55PM (#21777518)
RMS doesn't even have a phone. He asks other people to use their phones if he has to make a call.

He also only browses the internet by emailing himself text/HTML from a remote server.