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Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by joe_the_user on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:24PM (#21769018)
I'll take a 90% efficiency gain any day.

If you need a safety driver 100% of the time, the net gain in efficiency is 0%.

Edit: There's no comment in the article about there being period with no safety driver.

Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by waste_monk on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:50PM (#21769127)
If the truck still requires a human for some tasks (intra-city, fuelling, etc.) but can be rated to legally drive itself for most of the trip, then the human could sleep / eat / etc. during those times they're not required. This would presumably let them avoid minimum stationary rest times etc. since they could get a full rest of sleep while the truck drives itself (on sufficiently long journeys).

For owner-operators who live out of their vehicle anyway and are more concerned about getting work than sleeping in a hotel somewhere this could dramatically increase the volume of work they can take on (at least until fully autonomous trucks become widely available and humans are completely deprecated as truck drivers).

From that perspective it would be more efficient, not 90% but there would be significant gains.

Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by joe_the_user on Thursday December 12, 2019 @01:13AM (#21769661)
Well, if you had trucks that were safe enough to sleep in while they auto-drove, the companies would certainly want to go one better and have them drive empty. They could create dedicated fueling and loading areas if need-be.

But the trucks being that safe is the big question. The article describes a single trip without disengagement. Much more that is clearly needed.

Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by greedo on Thursday December 12, 2019 @10:00AM (#21772318)
"most of the trip"

So if I get woken up every 10 miles, am I really meeting the rest requirements?

Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by waste_monk on Thursday December 12, 2019 @04:27PM (#21776686)
I was thinking more like "the truck can legally drive itself until the next fuel stop in about 14 hours time, so I'm going to get some sleep".
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by nwallin on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:32PM (#21769055)
If it's one safety driver monitoring 4 vehicles it's still a win.
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by joe_the_user on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:43PM (#21769097)
But that isn't what the article talked about either (A European company did do a run like that a while though).

It did talk about "level 4 autonomy" based on a single drive with no disengagements (they mentioned they'd made a lot of drives but didn't mention their disengagement rate overall), doesn't sound like "achieving level 4" autonomy either-either.

Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by greedo on Thursday December 12, 2019 @10:00AM (#21772325)
How is one driver going to take over for 4 vehicles? Each truck needs a safety driver.
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Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by p1necone on Thursday December 12, 2019 @12:55AM (#21769592)
If having less work that needs to be done is a negative then there's a problem with our system of economics, not with having less work that needs to be done.
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by larnmar on Thursday December 12, 2019 @12:57AM (#21769600)
Truck driving is not and has never been a middle-class occupation.
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by pm90 on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:34AM (#21770001)
False. Truck driving is one of the few steady jobs that remain middle class https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportation-and-material-moving/m...
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by larnmar on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:22PM (#21777205)
You think $44K is a middle-class income?
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by Jamwinner on Thursday December 12, 2019 @01:10PM (#21774512)
Thats perception. Most o/o's are firmly upper middle. It's the hired drivers that get shafted, but even they do alright.
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by djrobstep on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:13AM (#21769908)
More automation is a win for the middle class and every other class. If a society chooses to violently deprive the middle class of economic resources, that's the fault of the police, not the automated economy.
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by wwweston on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:31AM (#21769986)
The police might enforce the legal code of a system the funnels economic gains to fewer and fewer people, but they don’t come up with the ideas on which that system is based.
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by TuringNYC on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:49PM (#21769118)
>> If you need a safety driver 100% of the time, the net gain in efficiency is 0%.

If this trial period helps us improve the technology and eventually remove the safety driver after 1, 2, or 10yrs, that is a huge gain. What is the rush? -- every technology takes time to perfect. Lets judge the technology once it has had time to mature.

Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by Shivetya on Thursday December 12, 2019 @08:36AM (#21771678)
we still won't allow trains to operate without onboard supervision and they should much easier to automate
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by meddlepal on Thursday December 12, 2019 @08:45AM (#21771759)
It doesnt help that the FRA is pretty awful and stuck in the 1880s.
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by AlexCoventry on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:36PM (#21769070)
I'm sure someone's working on telepresence which kicks in when the AI's getting confused.
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by jotm on Thursday December 12, 2019 @02:24AM (#21769954)
Earn credits for Stadia - solve these realtime truck simulator captcha!
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by jjeaff on Thursday December 12, 2019 @05:37AM (#21770811)
I would imagine that the current google captcha system has so much traffic, you could use it to power real time driving with static pictures. Set 20 people to tell you if there is a stop sign. 50 more to decide if that object in the road is dangerous or not. All you need is a decent number of responses coming back that agree.
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by Jamwinner on Thursday December 12, 2019 @01:13PM (#21774543)
This is halarious and terrifying. I can envisage groups of trolls who get together to captcha-troll lorries into buldings or worse for lulz and the terribly written legislation shoved in place to mitigate it before nation-states get in on the fun.
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by nwsm on Wednesday December 11, 2019 @10:34PM (#21769064)
90% less human mistakes.
Re:Self-driving truck delivers butter from California to Pen... by kylebenzle on Thursday December 12, 2019 @12:46AM (#21769558)
No.