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Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by Tomte on Sunday December 08, 2019 @10:57AM (#21736498)
Sure there is another solution: we ban them, or at least highly regulate them.

The idea that private companies can just do whatever, and there's nothing we can do is just so cliché HN.

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by dang on Sunday December 08, 2019 @01:21PM (#21737252)
You broke the site guidelines badly with this flamebait and generic tangent, which predictably started a wretched flamewar. Then you perpetuated it.

You do a lot of good for HN with your interesting submissions, but you've also been vandalizing HN with destructive comments for years. We've asked you not to do this many times.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20356880

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18887148

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17952388

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17441941

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17432633

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17113849

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17111984

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14693327

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11705439

Eventually the cost outweighs the benefit. I definitely do not want to ban you, so would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and fix this? All users here need to have self-control, and experienced contributors more so.

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by kbrwn on Sunday December 08, 2019 @01:50PM (#21737436)
How is this comment flamebait? First time that I have really thought you missed the boat.

Please don't censor people just because they criticize HN or the community.

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by dang on Sunday December 08, 2019 @02:53PM (#21737859)
"The idea that private companies can just do whatever" distorted the other comment into something ideologically inflammatory (which the site guidelines explicitly ask not to do), and took the thread on a generic ideological tangent. Those routinely turn into flamewars. Posting something that predictably induces a flamewar is flamebait.
Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by skinkestek on Monday December 09, 2019 @12:30AM (#21740597)
I was also surprised but then I read up on the rest of The comments from that account in this thread as well and think that it something like that might be justified.

I also read the rest of the comments linked as examples and some of them where obvious to me and some were not.

I'm not a native speaker though and I realize dang has a huge advantage there as well as access to see detailed voting statistics to see what riles people up.

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by lacker on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:13AM (#21736577)
I am a big fan of astronomy, but satellites are doing a lot more for humanity than ground-based astronomy.
Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by Tomte on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:19AM (#21736612)
What does an Internet access satellite network do for science? Those scientific uses SpaceX talks about are speculative and clearly secondary (or tertiary behind military use).

By contrast, earth-based telescopes are doing lots and lots of science right now.

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by ceejayoz on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:50AM (#21736776)
> What does an Internet access satellite network do for science?

One example: https://www.usap.gov/technology/1935/

> Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station uses communications satellites that serve as relay stations, receiving radio signals from one location and transmitting them to another. The United States Antarctic Program utilizes the satellites for the transfer of South Pole science, operational, and weather data, as well as Internet, telephone, and email services.

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by wongarsu on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:14AM (#21736585)
Nobody has jurisdiction over space. We can try to create an international agency and get all space fairing nations to submit to its regulations and rulings, but even if that was politically viable it would take years. Meanwhile Starlink will be deployed mid 2020 if no major delays happen
Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by Tomte on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:22AM (#21736633)
Great, so any of the hundred-something countries on earth are free to destroy those satellites? ;-)
Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by wongarsu on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:45AM (#21736751)
Generally destroying other people's property isn't looked kindly upon, even if done in international waters or in space.
Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by sprash on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:32AM (#21736675)
I was thinking about what would be the easiest way to destroy those satellites. A highly collimated microwave beam could do the trick. Or may be a really high powered Argon Ion Laser which are rather easy to build. Maybe somebody can come up with a neat DIY solution.
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Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by ceejayoz on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:25AM (#21736644)
SpaceX is launching some of those telescopes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transiting_Exoplanet_Survey_Sa...

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by Tomte on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:29AM (#21736663)
And in order to launch it they are using their constellation how exactly? Ah yes, they don't. They are separate.
Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by ceejayoz on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:47AM (#21736762)
It was launched on a SpaceX rocket by those "greedy entrepreneurs", at a cost that likely permitted the professional astronomers to save a bunch of money versus launching with a competitor like ULA.
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Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by Tomte on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:21AM (#21736623)
Funny, the officially stated purpose is "Internet access". There is some handwaving towards "maybe it could do more".
Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by SEJeff on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:42AM (#21736737)
Musk has been excessively clear the goal of Starlink is to allow SpaceX to self-fund a manned mars mission. You're welcome to downvote all you want, but this does not negate the fact Musk has directly said this (in several interviews). Many people tend to agree with him on this possibility:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/15/musk-on-starlink-internet-sa...

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-internet-satellites-ma...

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by Tomte on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:57AM (#21736815)
So the ends justify the means?

Great, why doesn't Musk trade in Ivory? There's a tidy profit to be had. Maybe he can donate a couple dollars to PETA, and everything's fine.

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by ceejayoz on Sunday December 08, 2019 @12:18PM (#21736924)
https://www.fws.gov/international/travel-and-trade/ivory-ban...

> On July 6, 2016, a near-total ban on commercial trade in African elephant ivory went into effect in the United States.

Hard to make a profit when you're shut down by the government.

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by SEJeff on Sunday December 08, 2019 @12:28PM (#21736968)
He’s just trying to build up a strawman to attack. Typical HN troll.
Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by dang on Sunday December 08, 2019 @01:26PM (#21737280)
Please don't perpetuate flamewars on HN, and please especially don't do personal attacks. We ban accounts that do that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by chr1 on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:20AM (#21736617)
Professional astronomers would rather use a swarm of large and better working telescopes in space instead of dealing with clouds, city lights, and the Sun not allowing to work at normal hours.

> Not the greedy entrepreneurs littering the sky with Internet access satellites.

The "littering" will be done not just by "greedy entrepreneurs" but by millions of people who will pay for faster internet, and by astronomers who want better telescopes.

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by chr1 on Sunday December 08, 2019 @03:00PM (#21737909)
I'd be very interested to know if any of the people who strongly disagree with the above comment are professional astronomers, or physicists.
Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by mlyle on Monday December 09, 2019 @11:48PM (#21749679)
Uh, being up above the atmosphere is great and all. But we also like having big apertures and lots of light gathering, which space telescopes don't have. We're not going to have a 39 meter scope with a high quality mirror in orbit anytime soon.

Also, space telescopes are very expensive, so we have a very small number-- we're not going to ever have enough to look at as much of the sky as we'd like to look at. We've got hundreds of thousands of 0.3 meter scopes out there, employed by everything from outright amateurs to citizen-scientists to auxiliary observing and discovery for research astronomers. We can't give all these people time on orbiting telescopes.

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Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by chr1 on Sunday December 08, 2019 @11:51AM (#21736777)
They do not need to be part of StarLink.

The more satellites are launched the more money SpaceX gets to develop starship, starship reduces the cost of launching satellites and increases the maximum volume of the satellite, with cheaper launches and cheaper mirrors that do not need complex folding launching space telescope becomes cheaper than building a telescope on the earth, which means that new telescopes will be built for space.

Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by Tomte on Sunday December 08, 2019 @12:05PM (#21736852)
The same line of reasoning works for selling weapons to conflict parties.
Re:SpaceX working on fix for Starlink satellites so they don... by chr1 on Sunday December 08, 2019 @01:06PM (#21737167)
How does it work? By building rockets spacex learns how to build better rockets, by selling weapons it would only learn how to build weapons. If you mean someone could start another company selling weapons and redirect all profits to SpaceX, that could work, but why would anyone do that if there is a better way of selling network connection?