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Re:The Great Cannon has been deployed again by gpm on Friday December 06, 2019 @11:34AM (#21723346)
You are interpreting a correlation as a causality. More likely (IMO) is a common cause, countries that consider themselves enemies for whatever reason are both unlikely to trade with eachother, and likely to go to war with eachother.
Re:The Great Cannon has been deployed again by skrebbel on Friday December 06, 2019 @11:45AM (#21723482)
The EU was founded with the explicit goal that increasing trade between European countries would prevent war.

It's impossible to prove causality, but Europe has never seen longer and more widespread peace than the last 70 years.

Re:The Great Cannon has been deployed again by earthboundkid on Friday December 06, 2019 @12:03PM (#21723691)
Europeans tend to credit the EU/EEC for the peace, but as an American, I find that totally implausible. The peace was because Europe was divided into two vassal regions and the actual superpowers decided not to go to war because of MAD. Now that the Cold War is over, we've already had a series of wars in the Balkans and various wars in the Russian periphery. True, France and Germany have taken a break from fighting each other for a long-ish stretch, but I think that trend would continue even with a Frexit because it's mostly built on memories of how bad the last two wars were.
Re:The Great Cannon has been deployed again by skrebbel on Friday December 06, 2019 @12:18PM (#21723855)
MAD and the cold war prevented war between countries on either side of the iron curtain, sure.

But then you go on to claim that war among countries on the Western side was prevented by memories of war and not the EEC, without any reasoning as to why. I don't buy it. The first World War was already terrible, yet these countries were at each others' throats only a few decades later.

Re:The Great Cannon has been deployed again by wongarsu on Friday December 06, 2019 @12:56PM (#21724305)
Russia and Ukraine are not EU/ECC members, and neither were the balkan states back when they balkanized. Wars outside the EU don't disprove that the EU plays a major role in bringing pace among its members. I would agree that it didn't necessarily bring peace to all of Europe, but that's a stronger statement than most people intend to make
Re:The Great Cannon has been deployed again by 0ld on Friday December 06, 2019 @12:00PM (#21723666)
only if you think that europe is eu, which it is not
Re:The Great Cannon has been deployed again by dmix on Friday December 06, 2019 @11:37AM (#21723388)
China not wanting to mess with the amazing economic success is one of the strongest things pushing back against any military aggression by them.

Tons of CPP members are getting rich off the economy which includes a lot of trade and foreign debt.

There’s plenty of correlation here.