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Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by _bxg1 on Friday December 06, 2019 @12:50AM (#21719558)
Every workstation in my office runs Elementary. Around half of our employees came to the company with little or no prior technical experience, and it's worked out pretty well.
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by leppr on Friday December 06, 2019 @01:28AM (#21719690)
Would be interesting to know what kind of work is done on these machines.
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by flatiron on Friday December 06, 2019 @09:24AM (#21721964)
My guess is “typing stuff into a website using chrome” which I guess elementary isn’t a terrible choice.
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by anderber on Friday December 06, 2019 @10:00AM (#21722304)
I do development on my elementary OS machine.
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by rehemiau on Friday December 06, 2019 @10:42AM (#21722735)
Does elementary still return their release codename instead of the base ubuntu release for `lsb_release -cs` in shell?
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by cassidyjames on Friday December 06, 2019 @01:06PM (#21724405)
Yes, because elementary OS is not Ubuntu. In the past, we carried newer versions of GTK or other core libraries, so pretending to be Ubuntu would actually do more harm than good.

However, we have added an `--upstream` or `-u` flag to lsb_release like other Linux-based OSes to point to an upstream release if the downstream release is not supported. I believe this has been adopted for installers of tools like Ruby and Node.

Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by rehemiau on Friday December 06, 2019 @02:43PM (#21725272)
Makes sense, I hope all installer tools will start using it
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by anderber on Friday December 06, 2019 @12:04PM (#21723703)
That's correct. They do show the Ubuntu build on the "About" section.
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by cttet on Friday December 06, 2019 @11:05PM (#21728395)
What else do you need for an OS now? As a developer what I need is a browser a terminal and an IDE. Everything else just need to be fast and non-distracting.
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by _bxg1 on Friday December 06, 2019 @12:24PM (#21723940)
Half the people do Lisp development, half stay mostly within Chromium
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by mega-tux on Friday December 13, 2019 @07:40AM (#21781031)
great to see Lisp alive & kicking...what variant? Thoughts on Clojure?
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by saintPirelli on Friday December 06, 2019 @02:09AM (#21719821)
Just last week I wrote a blog post about installing eOS on my SO's parents PC. They are not technical at all yet they have had (close to) no problem with switching from Windows to Linux thanks to eOS.
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by eptcyka on Friday December 06, 2019 @05:33AM (#21720591)
I have the exact opposite experience - the microphone doesn't work, everything is incredibly slow, my SO is buying a Windows 10 licence this christmas. It's a shame, the user was just fine with Cinnamon on Debian 5 years ago, but that machine and software is no longer good enough.
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by zozbot234 on Friday December 06, 2019 @06:38AM (#21720913)
"Linux" and "everything is incredibly slow" should not belong in the same sentence. Did you try installing an up-to-date Debian? Not sure if Debian packages Pantheon desktop already, but there are plenty of workable alternatives.

For the microphone not working, you'd have to check what's going on in Pulseaudio and ALSA - both of these can be problematic at times.

Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by izacus on Friday December 06, 2019 @07:31AM (#21721197)
Slowness is usually a side effect of not having correct graphics drivers for 3d acceleration / composition.

It seems that the poster doesn't have a Linux compatible laptop so eOS or any other distro won't work well.

Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by zozbot234 on Friday December 06, 2019 @07:49AM (#21721314)
> Slowness is usually a side effect of not having correct graphics drivers for 3d acceleration / composition.

This is generally fixed by installing "non-free" firmware. Some distros may also work better than others, e.g. some hardware is better supported in Fedora than Debian or its derivatives.

Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by eptcyka on Friday December 06, 2019 @09:02AM (#21721798)
This was an Intel Atom chipset with a GPU commonly found on smartphone SoCs, so there were no drivers that one could install on a mainline Linux distribution. It's really a shame that all the Android drivers are Android specific. The machine wasn't bought with Linux in mind, so the exotic hardware not working isn't really that big of a surprise. The reason Linux was installed was because the OEM Windows 10 that came with it was designed for a different market and it also eventually borked itself - complained about updates yet wasn't capable of updating itself. I got tired of trying to debug it remotely and installed linux. Hopefully with a retail license of Windows 10, we'll be able to install a pure non-crappified Windows 10 version and let it be. And the retail license will allow us to transfer it to whatever the next hardware will be.

There really is no difference between hardware support on Debian and Fedora given that the kernels remain the same - this isn't the case most of the time of course as Debian maintains stability whilst Fedora is very close to upstream most of the time.

Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by zozbot234 on Friday December 06, 2019 @09:08AM (#21721838)
> This was an Intel Atom chipset with a GPU commonly found on smartphone SoCs

IIRC, there was such a chipset with a PowerVR GPU. In that case, you'd pretty much be SOL. You'd have to run Windows 10 and hope that a from-scratch install of W10 can pick up the proper drivers from the "updates" channel - which I wouldn't be sure about. Most other hardware is far better behaved.

Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by markosaric on Friday December 06, 2019 @12:25PM (#21723948)
I'm new to Linux (switched from macOS) and I ended up on Debian Gnome after testing many including Elementary. I don't know why but somehow the same DE works better on Debian (as long as I select non-free and testing) than on the other distros that I tested. At least in my case.
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by Wowfunhappy on Friday December 06, 2019 @06:51AM (#21720990)
> Not sure if Debian packages Pantheon desktop already

It does not, sadly. There is an unofficial third party repo but it’s very much unsupported by both Debian and elementary.

Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by FeloniousHam on Friday December 06, 2019 @08:31AM (#21721586)
Just FYI, if you have to buy Windows, you can get a working license key from eBay for <$5 (I've used three different keys from different sellers with no issues).
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by flatiron on Friday December 06, 2019 @09:25AM (#21721983)
Or hwidgen the free key they gave to all the windows 8 refugees. That’s what I do in my test VMs
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by azinman2 on Friday December 06, 2019 @01:06PM (#21724409)
Tell us more?
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by flatiron on Monday December 09, 2019 @01:29PM (#21745023)
https://github.com/CHEF-KOCH/HWIDGEN-SRC

for a time they gave away windows 10 for free for anyone with 8. all those people who upgraded all have the same serial so there are probably millions of computers with it. this simply associates yer VM/computer with that serial and goes and activates. So its definitely not the most legal thing in the world, but its not like you are going to get caught since you are using the same serial number as millions of other folks.

Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by nomadluap on Friday December 06, 2019 @10:42AM (#21722741)
Just because it's 'working' doesn't mean it's legitimate.
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by m-p-3 on Friday December 06, 2019 @08:47AM (#21721686)
If you can get a hold on a Windows 7 or 8 license, you can still upgrade it for free to Windows 10.

Might be worth it if they're heavily discounted.

Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by eikenberry on Friday December 06, 2019 @02:16PM (#21725042)
Can you do a fresh Windows 10 install using a Windows 7 license? Installing Windows 7 on modern hardware can be a real PITA.
Re:Elementary OS 5.1 Hera by saintPirelli on Friday December 06, 2019 @07:00AM (#21721040)
That sounds like a bummer, everything was working just fine pretty much out-of-the-box, INCLUDING printer, scanner and WIFI, which are/were notoriously frustrating to set up on a Linux machine.