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Re:The Real Class War by buboard on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @04:32PM (#21642963)
The gilettes jaunes are on the streets, nobody cares to make them cultural icons. Gays had very visible and generally disproportionate (compared to population) media coverage of their rights. Was it really 100% due to activists on the street, or very influential but high profile gay people who helped build one of the few successful rights movements of our times?
Re:The Real Class War by chongli on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @05:35PM (#21643467)
high profile gay people

When I read this the first person I thought of was Alan Turing [1]. His was the fate of high profile gay people until the grassroots movement sprang from the Stonewall riots [1]. It was these activists who took the first steps to even make it possible for a high profile gay person to come out in public.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

Re:The Real Class War by pyuser583 on Friday November 29, 2019 @01:38AM (#21662547)
Do you seriously believe that upper class gays/lesbians and lower class gays/lesbians was the same?

In order for Alan Turing to be charged with “gross indecency”, he had to go the police himself, inform them he was gay (without being asked or prompted), and affirm it in a statement signed under penalty of perjury.

The only reason he did that was because he was so accustomed to people not caring, he didn’t think he was in any danger.

Being privileged has its privileges.

Re:The Real Class War by katet on Friday November 29, 2019 @09:47AM (#21664665)
I just had to look up that claim, and it seems that Turing admitted a homosexual relationship during a police investigation about his house being burgled, seeing as that relationship was with the accused burglar. That's slightly different to the implication that he walked into a police station of his own free will and promptly signed his own castration order.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Conviction_for_i...

(I'm aware of wikipedia fallibility but I'm on mobile and will generally trust in the citations for this particular individual)

Re:The Real Class War by pyuser583 on Friday November 29, 2019 @04:57PM (#21667064)
My description of his conviction was incomplete. I wasn’t trying to give a comprehensive account. I was simply trying to explain the level of protection his privilege afforded him.

He was comfortable reporting one of his lovers to the police because he was used to people looking the other way.

Obviously, one of the many downsides to criminalizing harmless behavior is that it places people outside the protection of the law.

Re:The Real Class War by vanusa on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @06:35PM (#21643851)
Was it really 100% due to activists on the street, or [high-profile insiders]

Okay, 90 percent activists on the street, 10 percent insiders (who generally only stepped in after the 90 percent had already laid their bodies on the tracks, and accomplished the hard part).

Re:The Real Class War by buboard on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @06:37PM (#21643863)
Was it really 90%?

Reason i m asking is thay certain countries had 0% activism and it all changed thanks to culture and osmosis. The fact that audiences were prepared for the changes was huge

Re:The Real Class War by nwah1 on Friday November 29, 2019 @01:13PM (#21665889)
Since we're all spouting bare assertions, I assert that it was 90% Frasier and Ellen DeGeneres and 10% activists.
Re:The Real Class War by vanusa on Monday December 02, 2019 @07:38PM (#21688749)
I assert that it was 90% Frasier and Ellen DeGeneres

Who got into a Tardis and went back and organized the Stonewall riots, ACT UP and the Mattachine Society. Yeah, OK.