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Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by tenpies on Thursday November 21, 2019 @02:38PM (#21598532)
I love Fastmail, but they are ultimately based in Australia. I really thought they would have moved their operations by now.
Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by dsissitka on Thursday November 21, 2019 @03:46PM (#21599396)
Why would they move? The A&A bill doesn't affect them:

> Fastmail won’t be making changes to our technology or policies in response to this bill. Law enforcement has always been able to request information from us through the Telecommunications Act with a lawful warrant. Because we have the ability to decrypt all data, there is no need to make changes that circumvent encryption.

Source: https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/21/advocating-for-privacy-aabi...

I'm just some boob on the internet that doesn't speak legalese but a quick Google suggests that Gmail [0] and Outlook [1] are subject to similar laws.

[0] https://support.google.com/transparencyreport/answer/7381738...

[1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/law...

Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by Youden on Friday November 22, 2019 @09:14AM (#21605685)
> The A&A bill doesn't affect them

You can basically sum that up as "we weren't able to protect your privacy in the first place, so you don't have to worry about this bill compromising it".

The quote also misses that Australia has silent and warrantless access to data and that Fastmail's servers are in the US, so subject to America's three-letter agencies as well.

> I'm just some boob on the internet that doesn't speak legalese but a quick Google suggests that Gmail [0] and Outlook [1] are subject to similar laws.

The competition isn't American megacorps, it's small European companies like ProtonMail (Switzerland, as far as I can see usually requires a court order and Swiss law requires notifying the subject) or Mailbox.org (Germany, only allows disclosure with a warrant or imminent danger to life). Even if your email is left unencrypted, these countries have much stronger data protection and privacy laws.

Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by esquire_900 on Friday November 22, 2019 @02:56AM (#21603694)
> I'm just some boob on the internet

That's one beautiful quote

Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by LeoPanthera on Thursday November 21, 2019 @02:40PM (#21598561)
Agreed! I'm still very surprised they haven't made any attempt to insulate themselves from Australia's anti-privacy laws.
Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by umyemri on Thursday November 21, 2019 @02:56PM (#21598757)
Yeah, I just recently shutdown my account. Moved over to mailfence. I already miss fastmail's functionality, and that fea.st domain was pretty fun. Still... Australia.
Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by UI_at_80x24 on Thursday November 21, 2019 @02:42PM (#21598607)
This is the singular reason I have chosen their primary competitors over them. In this day & age you need to be aware of these details.
Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by commandersaki on Friday November 22, 2019 @04:47AM (#21604213)
All these other companies are trying to sell you on the notion of email privacy and security.

The thing is - email isn't just sitting in your mailbox to only be viewed by you. The recipient has a copy which could leak it (or via hax). Copies of email can be saved by both incoming and outgoing systems.

If you need security & privacy - email is not the technology you want to use whatsoever.

Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by ScottFree on Thursday November 21, 2019 @03:26PM (#21599174)
Which primary competitors would those be? Asking for a friend...
Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by pheug on Thursday November 21, 2019 @04:26PM (#21599825)
Protonmail probably the most hyped, but personally I switched to Tutanota. I like their commitment to open source - you can build their webmail client yourself. They support full text search (unlike Protonmail) and also 4-5x cheaper than Protonmail/Fastmail, if you're fine with their cheapest 1GB storage plan.
Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by mkskm on Thursday November 21, 2019 @03:38PM (#21599317)
ProtonMail is the most promising.
Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by erikbye on Thursday November 21, 2019 @04:17PM (#21599718)
I've been using ProtonMail and ProtonVPN for over a year, paid subscription. Both web and mobile client is ok, not great. On desktop I use Outlook (Windows) and Thunderbird (Linux). I like the domain @pm.me.

Overall happy with the service. Customer support has answered questions competently.

Re:Fastmail – 20 Years Old by cotelletta on Friday November 22, 2019 @09:08AM (#21605644)
Protonmail has a huge gap between promises and what's delivered. Their IMAP bridge is slow and buggy, their mobile app hasn't been meaningfully updated in a year, and even as a paying user they put upsell ads in the sidebar, above your own folders.

If PM is not a honeypot, they are incompetent.