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Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by roland35 on Thursday November 21, 2019 @11:53AM (#21596166)
This makes me shed a solitary tear for Google Reader :'(

And another solitary tear from the other eye for Google Inbox :,(

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by teh_klev on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:11PM (#21596447)
Google Reader's shutdown was a true act of vandalism. Sure there are a handful alternatives, but Reader despite its somewhat basic UI worked really well. And despite Google's attempts to kill RSS, it hasn't gone away.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by coldpie on Thursday November 21, 2019 @01:05PM (#21597236)
Feedly's quite good, and they have a business model that isn't driven by abuse of their users.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by teh_klev on Thursday November 21, 2019 @01:15PM (#21597375)
I have tried it in the past, but it just ain't the same, I wasn't filled with joy and its UI annoyed me. Maybe I'll try again.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by TMWNN on Thursday November 21, 2019 @05:42PM (#21600543)
I am pretty sure that I tried Feedly in the post-"Oh no, Google Reader is going away!" panic everyone else using the service was in at the time, and like you I could not replicate the feel. The Old Reader was the closest alternative I found among the several I tried, but soon afterwards Inoreader appeared with a very, very, very close-to-Google Reader feel, and I've been extremely happy on it ever since. (If only Inoreader would correctly open the comment link and not the original article in the HN RSS feed.)
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by teh_klev on Thursday November 21, 2019 @08:31PM (#21601662)
Thanks for the link, but sadly...

iOS App - Android App - Windows Phone App

Not interested unless there's a plain old HTML over the web thing which Reader did well.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by TMWNN on Thursday November 21, 2019 @11:04PM (#21602311)
If you'd watched the demonstration video, by 0:34 in you'd have seen that Inoreader is indeed Web-based. I've never used any phone app for it.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by teh_klev on Friday November 22, 2019 @10:12AM (#21606216)
Apologies, I wasn't able to stream the video at the time.

But it seems I've tried InoReader before, I'm giving it another shot.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by arcticfox on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:15PM (#21596511)
I set up my whole company's communication on Google Wave. RIP

Slack, FWIW, is actually quite a bit like Wave was. I feel like if Google didn't screw the launch up so badly, and iterated on the product, they could have had Slack about 5 years before it actually existed.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by liquidgecka on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:33PM (#21596802)
Oh lord. I knew Google Wave was going to be a disaster from the get go. It was a secret project inside of Google that was not required to follow any of the normal google product design. This meant that it could use whatever database technology it wanted. This lead to some really terrible design decisions that would make sense at a very small startup but not for a large multi-million user product.

At the time I was working on the mail delivery infrastructure and they basically reached out to us at the last minute asking about email functionality. That was horrible because its not easily to wedge into a product after the design phase.

It annoys me so much because it was such a cool idea but the tech stack was badly implemented from the start. =/

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by roland35 on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:21PM (#21596620)
I was in high school when Google Wave came out so I had no one to really talk to on it or real reason to use it, but I do remember it seeming pretty cool at the time. Looking back it was ahead of it's time.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by xeromal on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:53PM (#21597074)
Your post got me to go through my emails to find my Google Wave invitation for a nostalgia rush
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by ngngngng on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:39PM (#21596913)
Now I'm going to be pissed off all day that Google Inbox died. I will never forgive them for that.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by markosaric on Thursday November 21, 2019 @01:22PM (#21597462)
These are the two I miss the most as well. Inbox was such as breath of fresh air compared to the Gmail app when it was first launched. And Reader really for me is the best way to follow news/topics/people I care about without too much noise and distractions. Still use RSS readers to consume a lot of my content even to this day.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by toomuchtodo on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:03PM (#21596331)
Google's missteps are someone else's opportunity. I use FastMail, NewsBlur, etc, all so I don't have to use Google.

Vote with your wallet and choices. Use non-Google tooling whenever possible.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by neilobremski on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:10PM (#21596426)
Yay, FastMail! I've been using them for going on three years with no end in sight. Gmail adds all the "cool" features but us old men appreciate not being told how to reply ...
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by usuallymatt on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:17PM (#21596552)
Another Fastmail user here. Switched just over a year ago and haven't looked back.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by ryanmercer on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:06PM (#21596386)
>And another solitary tear from the other eye for Google Inbox :,(

To be fair, Gmail has been my primary email since early 2009 and I'd never even heard of Inbox until people on Leo Laporte's podcast started whining it was going away.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by abawany on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:57PM (#21597127)
I am surprised to hear this because I OTOH thought Google's attempts to corral people into Inbox when it came out were obnoxious. The app notifications, the Play Store nudges, etc. I tried it since I got the impression from the nudges that maybe Gmail was going to get knifed; I hated it and went back to Gmail.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by coldpie on Thursday November 21, 2019 @01:07PM (#21597256)
Yeah, that's how I found out about Inbox, and switched to it away from Gmail on my phone. Then they killed it and I'm back to Gmail. I learned my lesson and ignored the notifications begging me to try Duo instead of Hangouts. Now Duo is dead (hooray, I dodged a bullet) and I guess they're killing Hangouts for no reason.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by NegatioN on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:15PM (#21596523)
How is that being fair? Does you not having heard about it define what is a great product, and what is not?

Google Inbox was great. Intuitive, modern, snappy, a testbed for new features, and on the surface it seemed less monetized and ad-ridden than gmail.

I switched away from Google's email-clients as soon as Inbox died, also having used Gmail since as soon as I got an invite when it was more closed than today.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by ryanmercer on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:36PM (#21596844)
>How is that being fair? Does you not having heard about it define what is a great product, and what is not?

It's fair because MANY people had never heard of it. I even heard on those same Leo Laporte podcasts people going "what's inbox", people who report on tech for a living. I imagine, compared to people just using the gmail app or the web interface, it had terrible adoption rates which made it not worth supporting. From all I could gather is it was almost exclusively used by those in tech and then only by a small subset.

I imagine reader had a small user base. RSS feeds are a pretty obscure thing and always were.

The only hangouts messages I've ever received have been group spam and likely has a relatively small user base.

Google Circles was largely spam and garbage content created for SEO in my experience and probably had a very small real user base.

Etc etc. If you your user base is a small percentage, or a fraction of your percentage, of your overall user base it's perfectly fair to go "well, let's shelf that".

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by roland35 on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:23PM (#21596643)
When Inbox first came out I did not like it at all, but once I got used to it I enjoyed it much more than stock Gmail. It was great mixing in reminders and snoozing emails. Gmail has kind of incorporated some of those features, but not as well.
Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by k__ on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:17PM (#21596548)
I got some ad on Gmail for Android, back in the days and tried it for a week or so.

Couldn't figure out how it was better than the stuff I already used and switched back to the regular Gmail client again.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by k__ on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:18PM (#21596561)
I shed some tears for the Google widgets or how it was called.

It was pretty nice to have some kind of dashboard when opening the browser.

A todo list, a calendar, emails, news, weather.

When it went away I tried some alternatives, but they weren't the same :/

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by derivagral on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:21PM (#21596603)
I also fondly remember iGoogle! Or google homepage, whatever names it had. Looks like it died for G+[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGoogle

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Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by EpicEng on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:03PM (#21596327)
>This comment is extremely frustrating

If you find that comment "extremely frustrating" you must really hate... well everything really.

Re:When will Google shut down Stadia? by coldtea on Thursday November 21, 2019 @12:03PM (#21596314)
>You wouldn't say "I have two solitary eyes" would you?

I would.