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Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by panarky on Monday November 18, 2019 @11:43AM (#21565747)
The FedEx statement seems like a classic example of corporate deception. It seems very carefully worded, probably by a team of attorneys, to be technically true but grossly misleading.

The tell is that FedEx calls the NYT article "factually incorrect" but never states exactly what assertions they dispute.

It's as if they want the reader and the media to infer that FedEx actually did pay taxes on billions in profit, or that FedEx actually did increase their investments as the phony rationale for the tax cut promised.

But since FedEx never actually says any of that, and instead just tries to infer it through clever wording, I'm going to trust NYT over this corporate snow job.

When FedEx twists the argument to accuse the NYT of also not increasing their capital investments, the whole thing reeks of Facebook's disinfo campaign to "deny and deflect" fundamentally factual reporting.

Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by megiddo on Monday November 18, 2019 @02:32PM (#21567374)
Adjusting depreciation schedules are very typical tax strategies for businesses. Hell, I've done this for a one-man shop making less than $100k in a year. Depreciation strategies are an important part of cash-flow management for capital-intensive industries. Otherwise, it's almost impossible to start a factory or other large industrial firm. Cash flow is marginal compared to capital, but the tax rate is proportional to capital. You can easily be put in a situation where the tax burden exceeds the free cash of the business.

I guess I'm not clear on what detail you think is missing. To me, their objections and actions are very clearly worded.

I believe they pointed out that they regularly pay taxes, that the tax rate for that year was due to accelerating depreciation, and the NYT is engaged in the same accounting strategies.

Accelerating depreciation has no net tax benefit over the full depreciation period. If the depreciation period is 10 years, but they accelerate in the first year, their net tax rate is the same over the 10 years as if they did not accelerate. They are simply moving their tax burden to the future.

They also took other current expenses to charge their pension, but again, these are expenses that they cannot take in the future - they will pay additional tax on future incomes. The net is the same.

Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by aantix on Monday November 18, 2019 @03:43PM (#21567953)
Thank you for pointing out the details.

It’s quite clear that some people’s model of taxes comes from doing Turbo Tax, year after year. Even Bernie Sanders does his own taxes. A man that wants to set the tax agenda on multinational corporations.

Just because a company pays zero taxes doesn’t mean that there was any thing fraudulent going on. If there’s zero taxes there’s probably incentives, depreciating assets as you described, losses carried forward, the corporate tax cut, employee stock compensation.

Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by SpicyLemonZest on Monday November 18, 2019 @03:40PM (#21567936)
Does it have no tax benefit assuming constant profits, or no tax benefit no matter what? Can you extract a net benefit by just accelerating some depreciation whenever you have a particularly profitable year?
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Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by Analemma_ on Monday November 18, 2019 @02:23PM (#21567302)
You're about the twentieth person on this thread to insist that the NYT article is "fake news" but not provide any specific assertions about what is wrong.
Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by partiallypro on Monday November 18, 2019 @11:51AM (#21565822)
> The FedEx statement seems like a classic example of corporate deception.

This coincidentally also describes the NYTs piece which was also misleading, bordering on activism.

Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by akhosravian on Monday November 18, 2019 @12:04PM (#21565946)
Can you give some specific examples of things in the NYT piece that are misleading?
Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by drak0n1c on Monday November 18, 2019 @01:45PM (#21566924)
The portrayal of capital investment being essentially zero is claimed to be misleading in the linked article.
Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by ceejayoz on Monday November 18, 2019 @01:53PM (#21567006)
That is not a claim that was made. From the NYT article:

> As for capital investments, the company spent less in the 2018 fiscal year than it had projected in December 2017, before the tax law passed. It spent even less in 2019. Much of its savings have gone to reward shareholders: FedEx spent more than $2 billion on stock buybacks and dividend increases in the 2019 fiscal year, up from $1.6 billion in 2018, and more than double the amount the company spent on buybacks and dividends in fiscal year 2017.

edit: Note: the parent commenter ninja-edited in the word "essentially" after I made this comment.

Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by drak0n1c on Monday November 18, 2019 @02:01PM (#21567071)
That framing is incredibly negative and obviously communicates it as "near zero" to the passing reader. Vague terminology of "less than projected" is the way they choose to frame it in the first sentence, and "spent even less in the next year" is the next sentence. NYT then chooses to completely omit the actual numerical figures of FedEx's investments, and instead highlights figures in the unrelated category of dividend payments (which were actually smaller than recent capital expenditures).

I'd say that paragraph you quoted showcases the misleading writing very nicely.

Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by morsch on Monday November 18, 2019 @02:17PM (#21567238)
I get _capital investments are going down_ from that. I don't know how you are reading _near zero_ from it. It doesn't get more "passing reader" than me in this case, I know nothing about what happened here and I have zero interest in finding out.
Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by cascom on Monday November 18, 2019 @02:12PM (#21567201)
FedEx CapEx in $B '09-'18

$2.6,$3.4,$3.6,$3.6,$3.3,$3.8,$5.0,$5.0,$5.1,$5.6

Do you think the article fairly reflects the trends in the company's capital expenditures?

Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by ceejayoz on Monday November 18, 2019 @02:19PM (#21567250)
Yes, I think it does.

FedEx's lobbying efforts argued reduced taxes would allow them to increase capital spending more than they would have otherwise. Instead, they look to have stuck to their trendline - and 2019's estimated is flat.

Draw those numbers on a chart and it doesn't look like the tax cut generated much of a boost: https://marketrealist.imgix.net/uploads/2018/09/Capex-2.png?...

Article from which the chart is drawn: https://articles2.marketrealist.com/2018/09/a-look-at-fedexs...

Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by drak0n1c on Monday November 18, 2019 @02:40PM (#21567436)
The NYT in the paragraph you quoted vaguely paints the picture that investment is being cut significantly in favor of massive dividend payments. However, if the reality is that it is merely plateauing as you and the parent comment show, then doesn't that show their wording was misleading?

Yes, FedEx didn't follow up with the massive new boosts they promised (besides the pension fund). However, the NYT should have included figures and stated it how you are in your comment - that growth factor is what has gone down, not the actual level of investment.

I am not disputing what you say about FedEx, I just want NYT to be more careful and precise in its reporting.

Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by ryanmercer on Monday November 18, 2019 @04:07PM (#21568148)
>Yes, FedEx didn't follow up with the massive new boosts they promised (besides the pension fund).

They've been building 800,000 square feet of new sort facility at IND for a year and change...

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2018/01/26/fedex-credits...

https://bgabuilders.com/fedex-indianapolis-ob4-project/

It's huge and runs right along side Interstate 70, you can see it from the other side of the airport just off of U.S. 40.

I can walk to my car, drive about 10 yards out of my work parking lot and see it across the airport. It's very real and almost certainly didn't grow out of the ground on its own accord.

They're also expanding in Greenwood, Indiana.

They're also expanding at MEM.

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Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by ceejayoz on Monday November 18, 2019 @04:15PM (#21568219)
FedEx makes capital expenditures every year. The NYT is not alleging they stopped them. They're alleging they didn't increase them any more than they normally would, despite saying that's why they needed tax reductions.

https://marketrealist.imgix.net/uploads/2018/09/Capex-2.png?... indicates their spending growth has largely just stayed what it was prior to the tax changes.

Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by ceejayoz on Monday November 18, 2019 @02:45PM (#21567471)
It makes the point that they didn't even spend what they'd initially projected, let alone increase it like they said they would. They did not follow through with their lobbying promises.

The fact that they instead increased stock buybacks etc. demonstrates a point of detractors of the tax law - that it's proceeds would most likely go back into already-wealthy pockets, not capital investment. It's not unreasonable to point it out here.

Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by RC_ITR on Monday November 18, 2019 @03:52PM (#21568033)
You're missing the giant acquisition they made between the $3B & that $5B... https://about.van.fedex.com/newsroom/fedex-acquires-tnt-expr...

Take that out & how does it look?

Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by cascom on Monday November 18, 2019 @04:12PM (#21568189)
I don’t follow - that’s not CapEx, and 4.4B EUR on ~$70b in EV does not make the acquisition giant in relative terms
Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by Someone1234 on Monday November 18, 2019 @12:02PM (#21565929)
In what way is it "misleading?" Seems like that's just repeating FedEx's unsubstantiated talking points.
Re:FedEx responds to The New York Times article from Nov. 17... by blackrobot on Monday November 18, 2019 @12:03PM (#21565942)
What was misleading about the NYT piece?