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Re:The Case Against Boeing by hn_throwaway_99 on Saturday November 16, 2019 @11:29AM (#21553419)
Your arguments are simply baffling due to a very simple reason: two planes crashed! Even if everything you say is true and the pilots were at "fault", it means that Boeing is designing planes where some significant percentage of pilots flying today will crash it. Do you want to fly on that plane?

This is basic Human Factors 101. Designing something where some percentage (even a small percentage, and especially when tragic consequences are involved) of properly trained people will be confused by the design means the design is at fault, not the people.

Re:The Case Against Boeing by CydeWeys on Saturday November 16, 2019 @12:22PM (#21553718)
And equally importantly, other planes don't crash nearly as much. Boeing managed to make a new plane that's much more deadly than existing planes on the market. It doesn't even matter so much why it's more deadly, just that it is. Placing blame on pilots misses the point, when those same pilots would not have crashed in those same conditions in a different plane.
Re:The Case Against Boeing by kortilla on Saturday November 16, 2019 @03:34PM (#21554791)
Well it can matter if it turns out the issue wasn’t engineering so much as clearly communicating that it’s a different aircraft so the pilots can be trained correctly.
Re:The Case Against Boeing by CydeWeys on Saturday November 16, 2019 @06:27PM (#21555593)
It's still unacceptably dangerous even if this difference is communicated. To be safe, at a very minimum you would need triply redundant AoA sensors, an MCAS engaged notification, and an MCAS cutoff switch.
Re:The Case Against Boeing by kortilla on Monday November 18, 2019 @12:47AM (#21562183)
There is an MCAS cutoff switch and the side effects of MCAS runaway are visible on the trim wheel. This was a non-issue for the pilots that were correctly trained.
Re:The Case Against Boeing by jacobush on Saturday November 16, 2019 @05:51PM (#21555455)
The whole point was to reuse the 737 typing. Boeing messed up. (Other parties messed up too, but Boeing started this.)
Re:The Case Against Boeing by hinkley on Saturday November 16, 2019 @02:31PM (#21554440)
Didn’t we manage a few years ago to go an entire calendar year with no commercial airline fatalities?