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Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by onlyrealcuzzo on Thursday November 14, 2019 @07:06PM (#21540991)
Can anyone explain how this even happens?

Who could possibly threaten a bank over handling financial transactions for sex workers? And what could they possibly threaten the bank with?

Even if it's some big business like Chick-fil-A...

Presumably they only bank with one bank, and presumably the porn and sex work industry has more money at that bank than Chick-fil-A.

How's this actually work? It's not making sense to me.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by sandworm101 on Thursday November 14, 2019 @07:47PM (#21541231)
Amateur porn? User-uploaded X-rated videos? When things go wrong they go wrong fast. Professional studios know how to abide by all the various regulations, many of which change from one state (or even city) to another. Amateurs with webcams in their bedrooms do not. Just look at the "Girls do porn" fiasco to see why someone might not want to do business with an amateur-focused studio.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by dredmorbius on Thursday November 14, 2019 @08:54PM (#21541589)
That's not a ... relevantly fruitful ... search term.

Have any relevant links?

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by belltaco on Thursday November 14, 2019 @09:00PM (#21541614)
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by dredmorbius on Thursday November 14, 2019 @09:36PM (#21541779)
Thanks.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by trhway on Thursday November 14, 2019 @07:32PM (#21541149)
>Who could possibly threaten a bank over handling financial transactions for sex workers? And what could they possibly threaten the bank with?

The SESTA/FOSTA for banking seems to be coming:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-sex-workers-are-wary-of-el...

"Warren’s joint effort with Florida Senator Marco Rubio in 2017 to introduce legislation that would enable banks to discriminate against sex worker, known as the “End Banking for Human Traffickers Act.” (Despite bipartisan support Warren and Rubio’s initiative was never voted on by the Senate, but the same bill has been reintroduced this year as H.R.295 - End Banking for Human Traffickers Act of 2019 and just passed the House Foreign Affairs Committee in March.) "

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by bitwize on Thursday November 14, 2019 @10:19PM (#21541942)
> Who could possibly threaten a bank over handling financial transactions for sex workers?

The government. The sex work industry was targeted by the Obama administration under Operation Chokepoint. Banks that dealt with customers the administration didn't like were subject to greater scrutiny and regulatory action.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by thaumasiotes on Thursday November 14, 2019 @09:41PM (#21541801)
> Who could possibly threaten a bank over handling financial transactions for sex workers?

The government. They do it right out in the open.

> And what could they possibly threaten the bank with?

Shutting down the bank.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by onlyrealcuzzo on Thursday November 14, 2019 @10:56PM (#21542083)
How do they do this in the open? The bank isn't doing anything illegal.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by Bartweiss on Friday November 15, 2019 @11:36AM (#21546256)
Know Your Customer laws can directly transfer legal liability to banks, but it's not just that.

The Bank Secrecy Act requires banks to provide "suspicious activity reports" on a wide variety of transactions, which can trigger seizure of funds without convictions. And structuring rules can make do the same to suspiciously-organized <$10k deposits even without evidence of other crime, which has happened to a number of small business owners who by sheer coincidence did that amount of revenue.

Filing those reports can get all of the assets in question seized, and failing to file them or filing them too slowly can incur extremely large fines. So the bank runs the risk of 1. having the funds in question seized, so they don't even get to collect interest, and 2. being fined a large multiple of the amount of money in question any time they overlook an instance. That's not directly involving the bank in anything illegal, but it amounts to "if you handle suspicious transactions, you won't make money on them and can potentially be fined lots of money". It effectively threatens banks for working with anything that looks similar to illegal transactions, even if they know its a different industry. And since the private cash transactions for this sort of work can look like either escorting or drug-dealing...

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by kortilla on Friday November 15, 2019 @12:03AM (#21542328)
Until they find out they’ve been banking for a prostitute and KYC kicks in.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by phire on Thursday November 14, 2019 @10:03PM (#21541887)
I doubt anyone is threatening banks on this based on moral grounds.

I suspect it's just fraud, people using stolen credit cards and bank details to pay for porn (because porn can be delivered digitally)

So these accounts disproportionately show up in the fraud department and the fraud department spends more time dealing with those accounts than the profit generated.

Eventually, the bank or payment processor decides it would be less effort just to get rid of the customers causing issues. The moral questions probably means nobody internally feels like defending them.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by Terretta on Thursday November 14, 2019 @10:08PM (#21541912)
SCENARIO

Usually it’s not stolen credit cards, usually it’s their card but they say it was stolen and try to do a charge back.

Hubby pays for porn.

Wife looks at bill.

Hubby denies it, must have been identity theft!

They demand a charge back since clearly card stolen by unknown porn hound, not innocent hubby.

CONSEQUENCES

Card processors and especially customers of card processors get their accounts flagged for too many returns / charge backs, which cost much more to handle than the original transaction fees compensate for. Rates go from a couple percent to 20%, making business models not work.

Banks that the processor deposited into when card swiped, have to risk manage how much money to hold back from the customer in case 2 months later all the deposits get sucked back out by charge backs. What happens if the bank customer had withdrawn their money?

BAD OUTCOME

Very hard problem, easier to just not deal with sectors that have extreme and unpredictable charge backs.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by oneplane on Thursday November 14, 2019 @10:44PM (#21542046)
Or maybe just tell your wife that you like to buy porn.
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by teniutza on Friday November 15, 2019 @02:39AM (#21543032)
*Ex wife
Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by Spooky23 on Thursday November 14, 2019 @10:22PM (#21541957)
Look at the recent scandal with “Girls do Porn”. Some nasty people exploited and harmed women through dishonesty and grift.

Do you want your bank associated with that? Do you want to be sued because you benefited from the conduct or financed it?

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by oneplane on Thursday November 14, 2019 @10:43PM (#21542041)
If you are going to care about what your bank is associated with, you might as well pull in banks that fund fossil fuel and weapons. Of if you like a different flavour, one that funds nuclear energy and planned parenthood. It's not like a bank is a nice place where only nice things happen for everyone's preferences and perspectives.

Unless you can find a bank that only does 1 thing and it happens to be a thing you like, there will always be something to be up in arms about. Maybe not immediately, but always something, some time. Today it's PornHub, tomorrow it's meat, and next year it's oil.

Re:PayPal stops payouts to models on Pornhub by dual_basis on Thursday November 14, 2019 @10:57PM (#21542092)
Banks are associated with much worse at the higher levels of the income bracket.