News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by i_am_nomad on Thursday November 07, 2019 @05:52PM (#21478143)
We were told back in September that the liquidity injection then was a one-off response to a freak occurrence, nothing to worry about, won’t happen again.
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by dfcagency on Thursday November 07, 2019 @05:55PM (#21478160)
Right. What is going on here? Really hope someone on HN can explain this in a succinct way.
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by whb07 on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:00PM (#21478213)
It means that the individual banks don’t trust each other and are leery to provide credit to each other literally “over night”. So they aren’t willing to provide liquidity to each other because they fear they will not pay back.

Remember that banks have fractional deposits, so they might be left without money throughout the night and then have to literally be insolvent the following morning. So the Fed steps in to cover these situations.

This is important because the economy and the system in general is supposed to be doing “just swell” when there are symptoms of a disease

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by aalleavitch on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:21PM (#21478412)
So there’s a ton of money in the economy but no way to actually make it liquid short term short of the fed, indicating that maybe the money on the books has a better chance of suddenly vanishing into thin air than anyone is comfortable with?

Where have I heard this before?

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by whb07 on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:30PM (#21478498)
Well if it’s all loaned out and invested away you can’t exactly conjure it back home every night. But yeah, essentially the Fed is trying to stay ahead of this issue they were the cause of.
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by henryw on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:01PM (#21478216)
There's an explanation here: https://wolfstreet.com/2019/11/06/whats-behind-the-feds-bail... & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORGFtWowKKM

Basically there are actors borrowing at the low repo rates and using it on higher rate government backed mortgage products. Banks with money don't want to lend to these actors, hence the repo rate hike.

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by nostrademons on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:46PM (#21478662)
I'd bet more on the European carry trade, with various financial firms attempt to arbitrage the difference between negative interest rates in Europe and positive rates in the U.S. That creates a natural demand for short-term dollar loans:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21478251

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by ChainOfFools on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:11PM (#21478310)
is this to support specifically the emerging non-QM product ($20-ish BN so far in 2019) sector?
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by tryitnow on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:34PM (#21478541)
Wow. This is an interesting take.

I didn't know higher risk firms like hedge funds, PE firms, and REITs are borrowing so heavily in the repo market.

So basically, this is the Fed just handing out cheap money to these firms. It's socialism for the super-rich.

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by xtacy on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:41PM (#21478619)
One of the best explanations I've read on this is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/d6e8qv/the_fed_p....

Although, I must admit I don't understand the carry-trade dynamics that much. I hope someone else can throw some light on that!

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by thoughtstheseus on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:09PM (#21478287)
My understanding: Demand > supply for short term high quality, liquid financial assets. The ny fed provides a lower bound of sorts for yields in this market, they need to provide huge amounts of liquidity right now to prevent ST yields from spiking.
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by XnoiVeX on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:43PM (#21478631)
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by 0x00000000 on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:06PM (#21478259)
Low key quantitative easing
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by rdtwo on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:30PM (#21478499)
It is QE
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by 0x00000000 on Thursday November 07, 2019 @07:02PM (#21478782)
It’s really funny how insistent the Fed is on it not being QE so they don’t scare anyone.

“Powell has been adamant in pointing out that the T-bill purchases, though aimed at expanding the Fed's balance sheet and, correspondingly, bank reserves, this should not be confused with the quantitative easing that occurred during and after the financial crisis.“

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/11/the-fed-is-extending-its-ove...

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by 4ntonius8lock on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:25PM (#21478453)
I can't say about the exact details, but this is what I understand:

We live in a fiat system; money is literally created out of nothing.

When money is created, it then needs to be injected into the system (economy)

This could be done any number of ways. The more transparent and straightforward though, the less of an advantage to the insider parties and the more meritocratic.

So an extremely complex, byzantine and opaque system has been created. People who are in this system will be happy to go into the many, many details of it. But they won't ever tell you why, it just is.

When I think of modern finance, I think of medieval Europe. Plenty of reasons were given as to why one person ranked above the other. Why one had access to certain things while others didn't. But in general, byzantine structures benefit the insiders at the expense of the outsiders. It's designed to be anti-meritocratic without having to claim being a decedent of the sun god.

I really fail to see why, other than avoiding meritocratic distribution, the fed doesn't open it's own lending window directly to the public.

They fret that lowering interest rates won't increase economic activity. I dare them to open those rates to the public and not see an increase in economic activity.

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by ChainOfFools on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:34PM (#21478544)
> We live in a fiat system; money is literally created out of nothing.

not out of nothing, all value is created out of shared assumptions about the future. money merely quantizes these assumptions.

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by JMTQp8lwXL on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:09PM (#21478286)
Did the Fed state that, or was it just the general interpretation?
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by savethefuture on Thursday November 07, 2019 @05:55PM (#21478163)
It won't happen again again /s
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by SCAQTony on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:03PM (#21478232)
$100-billion handed over to banks for overnight loans! The top 15 largest banks now hold a combined total of $13.7 trillion in assets. Like they really needed it.

Congress did not okay this, nor did the Fed need any permission due to their autonomy. I believed they infused over $200-billion this year. That is equal to giving $1-million in startup capital to 20,000 startups.

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by bransonf on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:20PM (#21478399)
Assets don’t equal cash. Cash is liquidity. Without it, banks can’t make transactions. And due to post 2008-crisis rules, banks have to maintain a higher percentage liquidity. In the view of the fed, they would rather inject cash than return this requirement to pre-crisis levels.

This isn’t the fed giving away money, it’s nothing at all like startup capital.

Economics are complex. Don’t be outraged that the fed is trying to maintain a stable economy.

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by hnaccy on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:25PM (#21478454)
Why can't the banks sell stuff to achieve the proper liquidity percentage?
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by bransonf on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:49PM (#21478680)
Well, you need buyers for one. And those buyers need cash. (And where do they get the cash... the repo market)

Banks don't want cash. Cash sucks in terms of value. It's liquid, but it is constantly losing value due to inflation. Assets typically appreciate in value, so it is in the best interest of banks to maximize assets and minimize cash. You trade liquidity for value/earning potential. (Just thinking about opening a certificate of deposit at a bank compared to a money market or savings account. Lower liquidity == Higher interest rate)

The repo markets exists so that banks don't have to hold tons of cash. If it didn't, banks would need TONS of cash on hand for all of their transactions, and it would significantly devalue them.

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by hnaccy on Thursday November 07, 2019 @07:39PM (#21479029)
So there's not enough cash in circulation for banks to sell some of their assets marked down?

In some sort of bad event won't the be unable to pay back the one day loan and so the fed is just helping them juke the required liquidity ratio?

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by bransonf on Thursday November 07, 2019 @09:56PM (#21479626)
It's not a matter of cash in circulation. It's just against the incentive of banks to hold any more cash than necessary.
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by undersuit on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:37PM (#21478575)
> Don’t be outraged that the fed is trying to maintain a stable economy.

The explanation for the FEDs doing the lending is it will spike short term rates or something. Why can't we be mad that the Fed is willing to do this? Like what if I'm one of the institutions waiting on the sidelines to make some money off of short term lending and the Fed keeps tamping down on what could be a source of profit?

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by bransonf on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:43PM (#21478630)
> Like what if I'm one of the institutions waiting on the sidelines to make some money off of short term lending and the Fed keeps tamping down on what could be a source of profit?

That's the problem. If you are one of these institutions, you're setting your interest rate much higher than is healthy for the repo market.

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by internet_user on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:52PM (#21478706)
..but the omniscient Fed knows better than the market?

Is that what you are saying?

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by bransonf on Thursday November 07, 2019 @07:03PM (#21478787)
Well, they're part of the market.

They have their judgments just like every other entity in the market. They use their best judgement to know that the repo market needs a cash injection.

They're not infallible, but as regulators... their job is to regulate.

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by SCAQTony on Friday November 08, 2019 @06:17PM (#21487940)
Nonetheless, $200-billion has been added to the money supply. (See FRED M2 Index link below from September 19 to the present)

$200-billion could have been implemented for more worthy projects than the repo market. In my opinion, the FED needs more oversight from Congress and/or the Treasury.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by thoughtstheseus on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:18PM (#21478371)
This is not an equity investment, those 20,000 startups would need to return the money the next day.
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by toast0 on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:54PM (#21478720)
> I believed they infused over $200-billion this year. That is equal to giving $1-million in startup capital to 20,000 startups.

Only if the startups are each going to pledge $1 M in treasury bonds, and return the money the next day (or in two weeks, the article also mentions the 14-day repo market).

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by sdinsn on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:27PM (#21478468)
> That is equal to giving $1-million in startup capital to 20,000 startups.

No, it's not. The Fed is just providing short term liquidity.

Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by qeternity on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:13PM (#21478331)
20k * $1m does indeed equal $200b...but they are most definitely not the same thing.
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by hiram112 on Friday November 08, 2019 @03:44AM (#21480773)
20k * $1M is $20B, not $200B.
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by freejulian85 on Thursday November 07, 2019 @05:55PM (#21478168)
The dishonesty and irresponsibility of the fed is going to end in disaster - disaster, in this case, being destruction of the currency.
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by icebraining on Thursday November 07, 2019 @06:17PM (#21478354)
By when? It's easy to predict the destruction of the currency without setting a period.
Re:New York Fed Adds $115.14B in Short-Term Liquidity to Mar... by ralphington on Thursday November 07, 2019 @05:55PM (#21478162)
[citation needed]