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Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by OnlineGladiator on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:49PM (#21457095)
How much do you think they should be fined?
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by porpoisemonkey on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:32PM (#21457487)
I'd like to see them make their customers whole by forcing them to refund the monthly payment for every month that a customer with an "unlimited" plan was capped or throttled.
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by SquishyPanda23 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:14PM (#21457341)
Some multiple larger than one of the estimated amount of money they made by lying.
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by SN76477 on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @12:01AM (#21459841)
return the money that was taken unfairly from the customer would be a start.

And then a sizable fine over that, let’s say an additional 100%

These companies need to feel pain for unethical practices. Not a slap on the wrist.

Next where does that money for the fine go? It shouldn’t just disappear into the ether.

Using the money from the fine perhaps a third party committee should be formed that regularly audits this known exploitive behavior. Maybe 50M could get that off of the ground and moving.

That could be 36 months of auditing from a third party.

All of this of course isn’t how things work. It’s just what I think is ideal.

Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by Braggadocious on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:30PM (#21457465)
A refund for anyone affected and asks for one. At $100/mo, 60 million dollars translates to 25,000 pay periods. AT&T has 25 million subscribers. I think its fair to say they got away with lying here.
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by OnlineGladiator on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:16PM (#21458428)
> At $100/mo, 60 million dollars translates to 25,000 pay periods. AT&T has 25 million subscribers.

I am failing to see how these numbers add up. What is the explicit formula you are using?

Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by monocasa on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:37PM (#21458574)
24 months at $100/month leads you to 25k subscribers at $60M.
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by OnlineGladiator on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:48PM (#21458642)
Thank you. I was doing mental math and I think I was lazily confusing 24 with 25 and noticed my zeros were off and after a few tries decided to just ask.

The 24 months explains it. I figured a pay period was a month because I think of it as how often I have to pay.

Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by brokensegue on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:38PM (#21458581)
they think a pay period is 24 months (it may be). 60 million / (24mo * $100/mo) = 25,000
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:23PM (#21457423)
Triple the amount of money reasonably attributable to the misrepresentation.
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by OnlineGladiator on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:25PM (#21457433)
So I agree with this idea, but how do you calculate the amount? I'm not asking for a rule, I'm asking someone to calculate me a number for how big AT&T's fine should be.
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:50PM (#21458654)
You'd have to have the rule going in and have the parties present evidence on the amount attributable in the appropriate phase of the trial. Intuitively, the actual number awarded seems far below the minimum plausible if the treble-gains rule proposed were used, but I'll freely admit I don't have hard data to set what the likely actual damages should be under that rule.
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by StanislavPetrov on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @09:40AM (#21462999)
Take the gross revenue collected by AT&T for all of the "unlimited" plans that were sold and multiply that by 2.
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by deogeo on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @06:35PM (#21458078)
That's not the formula used when copyright violations are involved...
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by SN76477 on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @12:02AM (#21459844)
LOL
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by tw04 on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @07:30PM (#21458535)
6 months of revenue would probably get the message across without bankrupting them.
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by SN76477 on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @12:03AM (#21459847)
I like this idea of it being a percentage of gross.

Make it hurt.

Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by pmoriarty on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @05:26PM (#21457443)
They should just double the fine after every violation.
Re:AT&T to pay $60M over U.S. allegations it lied in 'unlimi... by flyGuyOnTheSly on Tuesday November 05, 2019 @04:59PM (#21457189)
A punitive amount.