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Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by nabla9 on Thursday October 31, 2019 @08:56AM (#21408177)
It's to be used only in the event that the pilot is incapacitated.

Because it's an emergency feature engaged by a passenger or automatically, it probably can't manage all complex situations. It may be just good weather emergency landing. Check fuel and wind, steer to nearest emergency airport and land. Best effort is better than no effort and dying.

> There is a mountain between the normal 3-degree glide-slope and the runway, an "offset approach"

I think it can land only to those airports that are it's database with landing approaches programmed it.

Cruise missiles have had similar technology for a long time.

Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by mhb on Thursday October 31, 2019 @10:24AM (#21409130)
From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21409114

During those first few seconds after I hit the Autoland button, the system went through a series of complex calculations and decision-making processes to determine the nearest suitable runway based on runway length, width, and surface; fuel remaining; crosswind component; terrain; obstacles; and general weather information. The system requires an RNAV approach, but beyond that, the runway and weather criteria can be decided by the airframe manufacturer.

The system even forecasts its own weather if the nearest suitable runway is a significant distance away, long enough that the current ADS-B or SiriusXM weather may not be valid. It uses the latest weather trend information, for example, to determine if a thunderstorm might move into the runway environment where it intends to land. It will route the airplane around thunderstorms as well as terrain and obstacles, all of which it gets from its internal databases. If en route to a runway it determines, because of changing weather conditions, that another runway is closer or more suitable, it will change its destination. It can even estimate changing barometric conditions and adjust the altimeter—using algorithms. Garmin engineers say the calculated barometric readings are within 0.01 inches of mercury of actual ambient conditions.

Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by Daviey on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:39AM (#21408565)
> Cruise missiles have had similar technology for a long time.

I try to make my landings a little less eventful.

Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by AWildC182 on Thursday October 31, 2019 @03:02PM (#21412390)
A "good" landing is one which people can walk away from and a "great" landing is one where you can use the cruise missile again so by definition, a cruise missile can complete neither a "good" nor a "great" landing by design.
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by bstrong on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:49PM (#21415632)
"One unusual capability of the Snark missile was its ability to fly away from its launch point for up to 11 hours, and then return for a landing. If its warhead did not detach from its body, then the Snark could be flown repeatedly."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM-62_Snark

Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by AWildC182 on Friday November 01, 2019 @01:23PM (#21421369)
Of course cold war shenanigans would prove me wrong.... I stand corrected
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by OnlineGladiator on Thursday October 31, 2019 @05:12PM (#21413760)
Well in theory it could fail in such a miraculous way that everything is intact and it just skidded across the dirt - so while that might be considered a "good" landing it would be considered a "bad" missile launch.
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by exikyut on Thursday October 31, 2019 @09:23PM (#21415496)
Then the SpaceX stage1 (or stage2, or however they call it) is a missile that only makes great landings. :D
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by serf on Thursday October 31, 2019 @06:14PM (#21414323)
there are plenty of loitering munitions that have great landings routinely.
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by rhombocombus on Thursday October 31, 2019 @02:18PM (#21411911)
I prefer to be subsonic before I let the mains touch down (atleast...)
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by kevin_thibedeau on Thursday October 31, 2019 @05:23PM (#21413840)
> Cruise missiles have had similar technology for a long time.

Until GPS guidance came into use they were relatively crude terrain followers requiring a preloaded flight plan over a known terrain profile with sufficient bumpiness to protect against IMU drift. Nothing at all like this technology.

Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by SEJeff on Thursday October 31, 2019 @02:49PM (#21412276)
Cruise missiles don't "land" and they don't care about passenger safety :)
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by briandear on Thursday October 31, 2019 @02:03PM (#21411760)
Almost airport with runways long enough to land G3000 equipped airplanes will have a published approach. What will be interesting though is how this system handles circle to land approaches.
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by cornellwright on Thursday October 31, 2019 @04:23PM (#21413314)
My guess is it would choose a different approach or airport rather than circling if the winds are too unfavorable.
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by iancmceachern on Thursday October 31, 2019 @10:10PM (#21415716)
> Cruise missiles have had similar technology for a long time.

Yeah but an average human couldn't, and thankfully still cannot buy one. This is feature on a (and more to come) civilian aircraft, two very different things.

Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by zarkov99 on Thursday October 31, 2019 @02:25PM (#21412000)
Would it be a lot simpler to have a remote pilot access the controls? Why go through all this ?
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by rexaliquid on Thursday October 31, 2019 @02:33PM (#21412094)
Establishing, maintaining, and handling the inevitable connection issues of the data connection necessary to remote pilot an aircraft is a lot more work than integrating a "best route" algorithm with existing autopilot features, automated radio communication, and calming cockpit UI.
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by zarkov99 on Thursday October 31, 2019 @08:46PM (#21415283)
I was assuming that this was a solved problem, given how prevalent drone warfare is now.
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by ceejayoz on Friday November 01, 2019 @12:15PM (#21420435)
The military can easily afford other aircraft to serve as relays and satellite data connections that a general aviation pilot probably can't.

Even then, it's problematic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incid...

Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by nroets on Thursday October 31, 2019 @05:55PM (#21414126)
Until StarLink has proper coverage.
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by denkmoon on Thursday October 31, 2019 @07:10PM (#21414720)
Even then, would you really want to rely on that?
Re:Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability by phissk on Thursday October 31, 2019 @02:39PM (#21412173)
> Cruise missiles have had similar technology for a long time.

Cruise missiles aren't trying to survive the landing.