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Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by jdkee on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:12PM (#21402039)
Here is Jack Dorsey's commentary thread:

https://twitter.com/jack/status/1189634360472829952

Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by psychometry on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:15PM (#21402072)
If only there was a way to communicate more than a couple sentences at the time over the internet. Someone should make that!
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by sp332 on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:31PM (#21402312)
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by notatoad on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:22PM (#21402168)
You can't really criticise twitter for this - last year they were all ready to launch a way to embed text posts in a tweet like images can currently be embedded in a tweet, until the userbase revolted and they had to cancel the plan.
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by catalogia on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:25PM (#21402208)
Really? The twitter userbase actually prefers it this way? That's baffling to me. Did the revolting userbase provide any reasons or explanations for this preference?
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by walls on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:28PM (#21402255)
The average Twitter user isn't interested in more than a tweets worth of information.
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by lalaithion on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:29PM (#21402272)
The pain of embedding a long text post in multiple tweets rewards authors for succinctness, something most places on the internet sorely lack.
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by acbabis on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:28PM (#21402263)
I'm not a Twitter user myself, but the character limit is what made Twitter unique. It might be fun to laugh at people who only want to read 140 characters, but we shouldn't assume they aren't going elsewhere to post and read essays. A lot of people use Twitter and reddit/Facebook/HN/ect.
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by triceratops on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @05:42PM (#21403107)
> revolting userbase

There's no need to insult every single Twitter user like that :-)

Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by notatoad on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:28PM (#21402258)
it was also baffling to me. I interpreted it as just the typical reactionary "we hate change" attitude that any online community has.
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by tyre on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:28PM (#21402252)
Realistically, people don't read longer-than-tweet-sized things. Best of both worlds is probably to tweet the gist then link to a longer explanation.
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by wmeredith on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:20PM (#21402147)
I find "tweet storms" insufferable
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by qnsi on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:28PM (#21402254)
you can thank pmarca for that one
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by rexpop on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:24PM (#21402195)
It's just a difference in CSS.
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by sharemywin on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:22PM (#21402177)
Are you crazy. I'm surprised this app hasn't taken the internet by storm.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=morse.vedppa.a...

Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by freebasenic on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:15PM (#21402073)
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by eqmvii on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:15PM (#21402078)
This is a great decision, and that's a well reasoned thread. Hopefully this puts pressure on other big players like Facebook.
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by ElijahLynn on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:22PM (#21402176)
Thanks! Just gonna put it all inline here:

Jack Dorsey, Twitter CEO

1:05 PM · Oct 30, 2019

https://twitter.com/jack/status/1189634360472829952

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1189634360472829952.html

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We’ve made the decision to stop all political advertising on Twitter globally. We believe political message reach should be earned, not bought. Why? A few reasons…🧵

A political message earns reach when people decide to follow an account or retweet. Paying for reach removes that decision, forcing highly optimized and targeted political messages on people. We believe this decision should not be compromised by money.

A political message earns reach when people decide to follow an account or retweet. Paying for reach removes that decision, forcing highly optimized and targeted political messages on people. We believe this decision should not be compromised by money.

While internet advertising is incredibly powerful and very effective for commercial advertisers, that power brings significant risks to politics, where it can be used to influence votes to affect the lives of millions.

Internet political ads present entirely new challenges to civic discourse: machine learning-based optimization of messaging and micro-targeting, unchecked misleading information, and deep fakes. All at increasing velocity, sophistication, and overwhelming scale.

These challenges will affect ALL internet communication, not just political ads. Best to focus our efforts on the root problems, without the additional burden and complexity taking money brings. Trying to fix both means fixing neither well, and harms our credibility.

For instance, it‘s not credible for us to say: “We’re working hard to stop people from gaming our systems to spread misleading info, buuut if someone pays us to target and force people to see their political ad…well...they can say whatever they want! ”

We considered stopping only candidate ads, but issue ads present a way to circumvent. Additionally, it isn’t fair for everyone but candidates to buy ads for issues they want to push. So we're stopping these too.

We’re well aware we‘re a small part of a much larger political advertising ecosystem. Some might argue our actions today could favor incumbents. But we have witnessed many social movements reach massive scale without any political advertising. I trust this will only grow.

In addition, we need more forward-looking political ad regulation (very difficult to do). Ad transparency requirements are progress, but not enough. The internet provides entirely new capabilities, and regulators need to think past the present day to ensure a level playing field.

We’ll share the final policy by 11/15, including a few exceptions (ads in support of voter registration will still be allowed, for instance). We’ll start enforcing our new policy on 11/22 to provide current advertisers a notice period before this change goes into effect.

A final note. This isn’t about free expression. This is about paying for reach. And paying to increase the reach of political speech has significant ramifications that today’s democratic infrastructure may not be prepared to handle. It’s worth stepping back in order to address.

Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by eertami on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:27PM (#21402232)
>While internet advertising is incredibly powerful and very effective for commercial advertisers, that power brings significant risks to politics,

It's kind of horrifying that one can make such a statement, acknowledging the dangers of advertising, but still insinuating that commercial advertising somehow isn't dangerous and harmful, just the political ads...

Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by yifanl on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:32PM (#21402322)
Ultimately, advertising runs the internet, so it's not at all a trivial thing to denounce advertising.

And precisely for that reason, it is dangerous ;)

Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by cwkoss on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:39PM (#21402413)
All ads are adversarial.

Whenever you see an ad, remember that they've diverted funds from improving the quality of their product and paying their workers well, and instead decided to use that money to try to deceive and manipulate the public into forming a positive impression.

Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by tyre on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:30PM (#21402285)
> For instance, it‘s not credible for us to say: “We’re working hard to stop people from gaming our systems to spread misleading info, buuut if someone pays us to target and force people to see their political ad…well...they can say whatever they want! ;)”

savage

Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by imgabe on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:21PM (#21402161)
Off topic, but who the hell decided we need live updates of retweet and like counts on the page? That is distracting af.
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by Icathian on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:26PM (#21402230)
It's a gamification choice. Watching those numbers tick up is proven to be addictive and keep people on the site.
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by imgabe on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:50PM (#21402534)
That would make sense if it were numbers for my tweets. I don't get any dopamine hit from seeing that Jack Dorsey is getting another thousand retweets every three seconds. It just makes me give up on reading and close the tab.
Re:Twitter to ban political advertising by toephu2 on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @04:32PM (#21402324)
Most likely a PM.