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Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by riffraff on Friday October 25, 2019 @05:50PM (#21359588)
People loved XP coming from '98 which was way more prone to crash, BSOD, data losses etc, from what I recall.
Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by Rapzid on Friday October 25, 2019 @11:04PM (#21361432)
Not to mention plug-and-play finally started coming into its own. XP started the trend of having the massive generic driver repository so you could actually get your NIC to work so you could DL your other drivers without needing the CD/floppy with the NIC drivers :) Oh man, XP was great.
Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by DayDollar on Saturday October 26, 2019 @04:20AM (#21362479)
I loved that with XP, that you could actually turn the gui back into something WIN98 like- which ment, it was boring, grey and minimal. And thats how i want my gui to be. I dont want some fashionfacista to redesign it to his/her whims. I dont want it to grab my attention for unimportant crap. I want it laying there in the sun, grey, damp and featureless like a new born island. My work has enough excitment and new stuff to focus on- i dont want to be bothered by what other people consider important- security center rages, advertisements and by bothering i ment to be reminded of there existence in any way (that includes gobbling huge amounts of system ressources) - so in XP you could still shut the worst offenders down permanently. It is, and it was for the user who took time to settle in, the perfect system. Everything that came after, is a lovecraftian horror that trys way to much to please a preconcived user- who wants nothing more then to strangle all this unpleasant attempts of servitude.
Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by rnd0 on Friday October 25, 2019 @06:39PM (#21359937)
I think it's a mix of both? I "loved" XP once two things happened: I got a computer with more than 256mb of ram, and I installed SP2. After that it ran really well and yes, so much better than Windows 98 did.
Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by tinus_hn on Friday October 25, 2019 @07:32PM (#21360258)
Don’t forget Windows ME which was truly a turd in a class of its own.
Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by asveikau on Friday October 25, 2019 @11:37PM (#21361546)
I still don't completely understand why they didn't make Win2k into a "consumer" product. A lot of techies here who installed Windows themselves in that era probably skipped ME and went to that. But all the consumer PCs shipped with 98 or ME.

I remembering hearing at the time that this was about hardware support and/or app compatibility. But my cynical side just thinks they wanted to justify charging more for a workstation SKU for another release cycle.

Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by TheKarateKid on Saturday October 26, 2019 @12:09AM (#21361662)
Actually, ME was the result of a development disaster similar to the one which resulted in Vista.

Microsoft was planning on building an entirely new Internet-focused consumer version of NT. It was too ambitious for its time, so to meet deadlines, most of it was scrapped and some UI elements were backported into an updated Windows 98 which became ME. This is why Explorer for both ME and 2000 look similar despite having little else in common.

Other elements of the scrapped project made its way into XP, but barely compared to what it was supposed to be. I think XP’s fancy login screen was one of them.

If anyone’s interested I’ll try to find where I read all of this. It might’ve been on Paul Thurrott’s Windows Supersite or another site that collected Windows betas.

Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by Lammy on Saturday October 26, 2019 @01:01AM (#21361822)
Windows codename Neptune: https://microsoft.fandom.com/wiki/Microsoft_Neptune

It’s interesting to see twenty year old experiments with flat UI designs considering how dominant that style is today with Android 5, iOS 7, Windows 8, etc.

Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by TheKarateKid on Saturday October 26, 2019 @03:44AM (#21362338)
Indeed. Ironically, I think I remember reading that the Neptune apps’ UI was HTML-based, since Microsoft wanted IE to power everything.

And now many apps use HTML/JS/CSS for styling and rendering.

Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by garaetjjte on Saturday October 26, 2019 @11:34AM (#21364262)
These apps looks like they are made in IE6-era Electron..
Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by Lammy on Saturday October 26, 2019 @05:14PM (#21366243)
They are! The same tech powered Active Desktop and the "smart" Explorer sidebars in Windows XP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML_Application
Re:Bill Gates on Windows Usability (2003) by andrewf on Saturday October 26, 2019 @02:55AM (#21362169)
I think Win2K had higher memory requirements, which meant a more expensive machine for the same performance. (This was always an issue for WinNT and OS/2 versus the DOS/Win9x line)

I think software compat was also lacking. DOS games were still in people's libraries (eg Quake from June '96), and I remember needing an extra 4MB to run those inside Win9x versus booting to DOS mode. That stuff didn't Just Work (tm) on Win2K. For example, http://sandmann.dotster.com/djgpp/DJGPP_W2K.htm is a list of issues with the most popular GCC port to DOS. (The Quake DOS binary was actually built with an earlier version of that compiler)

I remember the WinXP DOS emulation was supposed to be much improved over Win2K, but don't recall specifics.