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Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by LeifCarrotson on Thursday October 24, 2019 @09:54AM (#21344682)
Donations are probably better, because while that hardware is helpful, it's the ISP connections that are hard to come by. If you host a Tor exit node on your home network connection, Comcast is likely going to shut down your service for abuse/TOS violations. Having some rack space in a datacenter is far more valuable and better supported by donations.
Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by driverdan on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:45AM (#21345169)
The network needs both. Too much centralization is a threat to anonymity so it needs users running nodes. At the same time you shouldn't run an exit at home on a consumer connection. Relays are fine though.
Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by snagglegaggle on Thursday October 24, 2019 @04:41PM (#21348925)
Saying you shouldn't run an exit node at home is accepting that Tor has mainly fraudulent uses. More people need to run it from home so it becomes accepted as a normal Internet usecase.
Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by LeifCarrotson on Thursday October 31, 2019 @03:33PM (#21412711)
It doesn't have to be even close to "mainly fraudulent uses". If just 0.01% of users use it for illegal stuff that will get your home network connection shut down, and an exit node sees a thousand different users a month, then it would be unwise to host an exit node at home.
Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by slenk on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:47AM (#21345190)
Also, an exit node WILL use all of your bandwidth. You're going to quickly hit those 1TB caps.

When I was hosting a exit node I was getting over 50GB/day

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by Forbo on Thursday October 24, 2019 @01:33PM (#21346985)
Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by okcando on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:09AM (#21344826)
How does this use case differ from (legal) distributed file sharing, like Bittorrent, which people do at home all the time?
Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by apecat on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:21AM (#21344926)
In terms of non-exit Tor relays, it doesn't. In fact, for anyone looking at your traffic, Tor relaying is opaque, unlike legal torrents.

As for exits, you'll be dealing with abuse reports from countless parties, including the off-chance that someone sends a death threat through your exit and you have may to fend off law-enforcement that still hasn't gotten the memo on Tor. In countries, like the US where any police encounter might turn deadly, I'd highly advise against running exits at home.

As a Tor exit operator, I can in fact honestly tell you not to run exits on production business networks, or basically anywhere where you're not prepared to be a recipient of a lot of unwanted attention.

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by zaarn on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:58AM (#21345288)
Even non-exit nodes can put you in a bad spot (my ISP didn't like it), you'll get blacklisted by quite a few places (because not everyone got the memo that middle nodes != exit nodes)
Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by apecat on Thursday October 24, 2019 @11:25AM (#21345569)
Yeah. If your ISP is manned by dipshits, they won't like Tor relays, just because.

It's also worth setting up a Tor relay to use a different external ip address. Because VPN/Procy whitelists employed by dumb web firewall products will temporarily blacklist all publically listed Tor relay IPs.

Here's a typical residential setup: ISP-provided broadband modem in bridged mode + some sensible home router with security patches you should be using anyway and the Tor relay server connected to the modem with a non-managed switch (if needed).

Please note that Bridges give help directly to individuals who can't access Tor, due to blockage in their home country. They don't use a lot of bandwidth and aren't listed publicly, so bad actors on the firewall market won't block them.

So, if you only have one IP address available and you want to do the internet at large a huge solid, just run a Bridge.

For anyone interested in running Tor relays, here's an intro to why your new box won't use all available bandwidth for a while https://blog.torproject.org/lifecycle-new-relay

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by __MatrixMan__ on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:29AM (#21344984)
In principle, pretty much any crime you can commit over tor, you can also commit over BitTorrent. For instance, you could advertise your assassination services by writing up a document, making a torrent of it, and then distribute the magnet link for that torrent on floppy diskettes... or whatever.

In practice, though, TOR is more convenient for such things because a resource's name (the onion address) doesn't change when the content does. This difference makes it rather unlikely that you're going to find the lets-make-an-illegal-deal crowd gathering around BitTorrent.

But legally, and from the ISP's perspective, seeding a torrent with incriminating content is no different than running a TOR exit node that happens to be trafficking that content--it's just that since they attract different crowds, one is more likely to attract the wrong kind of attention than the other.

Also, you get to choose what you seed on BitTorrent, but when you run an exit node, you don't. So you're unlikely to even know what kind of incriminating content is going through your internet connection.

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by solarkraft on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:16AM (#21344876)
Exit nodes are the points at which traffic goes from the encrypted TOR network to the clear net, and since many people like to use TOR to do legally questionable things you will likely very quickly be flooded with law enforcement requests, if not just blocked by your provider.