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Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by koboll on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @07:47PM (#21340233)
>When Watson began his campaign in early 1982, he was aware of ratification by only six states and he erroneously believed that Virginia's 1791 approval was the last action taken by the states. He discovered in 1983 that Ohio had approved it in 1873 as a means of protest against the Salary Grab Act and learned in 1984 that Wyoming had done the same 6 years earlier in 1978, as a protest against a 1977 congressional pay raise. Further, Watson did not know, until 1997, well after the amendment's adoption, that Kentucky had ratified the amendment in 1792. Neither did Kentucky lawmakers themselves — in Watson's desire for a 50-state sweep, the Kentucky General Assembly post-ratified the amendment in 1996 (Senate Joint Resolution No. 50), at Watson's request, likewise unaware that the task had already been attended to some 204 years earlier.

>In 2016, Zach Elkins, a professor in the UT Department of Government, became interested in Watson's story and began to document its origins. He tracked down Sharon Waite, who had left academia in the 1980s to work on her family's citrus farm. Elkins suggested to Waite that they change Watson's grade. In 2017, Elkins submitted a grade change form with Waite's signature and a grade change to "A+". In an interview with NPR, Waite stated, "Goodness, he certainly proved he knew how to work the Constitution and what it meant and how to be politically active, [...] So, yes, I think he deserves an A after that effort — A-plus!" The registrar approved a grade change to "A", because the university does not give grades higher than "A".

How has this not yet been made into a comedy?

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by shadowoflight on Thursday October 24, 2019 @02:07AM (#21342057)
>The registrar approved a grade change to "A", because the university does not give grades higher than "A".

It’s hilarious to me that the bureaucracy of this university couldn’t allow even a single grade above an A in this exceptional circumstance - I wonder if it actually came down to some hard limit in their grade keeping system, or if some grumpy recordskeeper just said, “Nope, this is how we’ve always done things, so this is how we will always do things.”

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by emptyfile on Thursday October 24, 2019 @05:09AM (#21342816)
Maybe its my European mindset but I find it impossible to believe that any school can just start inventing extra grades.
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by coldtea on Thursday October 24, 2019 @05:35AM (#21342904)
Maybe it's my southern European mindset, but I find it totally possible.

The world is not as rigid as northern Europe thinks it is...

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by emptyfile on Thursday October 24, 2019 @07:03AM (#21343360)
I'm from the Balkans.
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by coldtea on Thursday October 24, 2019 @07:10AM (#21343395)
Well, if you're from the Balkans you should surely see it as totally possible!

Far more rule and law-bending is happening than that, for the possibility of "inventing a new grade" to be really impossible/surprising.

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by coldtea on Thursday October 24, 2019 @07:55AM (#21343693)
Case in point, I know a university case where the professor body wanted to appoint their "own" candidate for a professorship position. The dean and several (majority) professors had already agreed under the table, and the few others didn't matter.

The only problem was they legally had to go through a open contest for the position.

So when someone came up with 5x the qualifications (citations, papers, conferences, better universities attended, etc, globally too) than their ho-hum friend (some relative of the dean), the professor body suddenly folded the position.

A few months later, they announced a new opening, with some specially crafted qualifications, so that only their friend could pass.

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by dantondwa on Thursday October 24, 2019 @01:44PM (#21347131)
I can really see this happening, unfortunately, and I actually did many times. However, Southern bureaucracies are flexible only when they shouldn't be and insurmountably rigid when it's actually good, reasonable, or funny to make an exception. So, no, no extra grade for Watson here. But we might as well create a whole new professional category for the friend of my friend.
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by signal11 on Thursday October 24, 2019 @06:15AM (#21343107)
New grades are introduced all the time e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Certificate_of_Seconda...

> In 1994, the A* grade was added above the grade A, to further differentiate attainment at the very highest end of the qualification. This remained the highest grade available until 2017.

The grades are now 1-9, with 9 being the highest and above A*.

In this particular case, I think it certainly is within a University's remit to award a special grade given the exceptional circumstances.

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by Maarten88 on Thursday October 24, 2019 @06:27AM (#21343184)
>The grades are now 1-9, with 9 being the highest and above A*.

Another example of the US inching toward the metric system ;-)

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by signal11 on Thursday October 24, 2019 @06:52AM (#21343303)
This isn't the US -- these grades are from the UK.

Although yes, the UK too is in this hybrid world where gas (petrol/diesel) is in litres, temperature is in Celsius, but vehicle speedometers are in miles per hour and feet and inches are very popular for height, measuring rooms and furniture, etc.

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by freeflight on Thursday October 24, 2019 @08:22AM (#21343883)
Don't forget about measuring your own weight in "stones".
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by paublyrne on Thursday October 24, 2019 @09:12AM (#21344324)
They're still miles away from converting.
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by C1sc0cat on Thursday October 24, 2019 @12:45PM (#21346361)
That's just A levels (which are open to fiddling by the government of the day)

Universities have their own ideas

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by Spoom on Thursday October 24, 2019 @09:38AM (#21344539)
Seems like they're finding the path.
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by watwut on Thursday October 24, 2019 @02:49AM (#21342274)
In all seriousness, the profs cant just invent grades that don't exist. Verbal "awesome work from X everybody read it" is for that purpose.

This is not some kind of overreach of bureaucracy.

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by shadowoflight on Thursday October 24, 2019 @12:33PM (#21346244)
The +/- letter grading scale has existed for as long as I can remember. For the particular college I attended, A+ corresponded to a GPA of 4.33 or a % score of >100 and was only given out to exemplary students - I believe this case would certainly be worthy of that extremely high grade.
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by watwut on Thursday October 24, 2019 @03:42PM (#21348441)
The case got highest grade available in system that this particular college uses. There is not reason to expand the scale.
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by MikeTheGreat on Thursday October 24, 2019 @01:46PM (#21347159)
4.333333333333333333?

Bah! That's grade-inflation, pure and simple. In my day, the grades topped out at cough4.0. Back in my day, a 4.0 coughreally meant somethingcough, not like these cough hold on, I gotta re-up my inhaler-

Ok, where was I?

Oh, right - Get off my lawn!

:)

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by crawfordcomeaux on Thursday October 24, 2019 @05:22AM (#21342858)
In all seriousness, the profs can choose to do what they want and the system most certainly can choose to allow it or not.

This is absolutely an example of rigid bureaucracy at work.

Also, you now are eligible for grade changes in past English classes because you used the word "can't" figuratively to describe a literal situation. Whether the grade changes occur and if they go up or down is up to the systems maintaining the grades and the teachers.

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by watwut on Thursday October 24, 2019 @05:41AM (#21342932)
Next level grade inflation "A+++", "totally awesome A", "A totally even more awesome then A+++:.

In all seriousness, this is not rigid bureaucracy preventing something that would be useful. Just because prof have such an emotional reaction to someones unusual effort does not mean new grade has a reason to exist.

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by squiggleblaz on Thursday October 24, 2019 @05:59AM (#21343030)
I guess it depends on the grading system doesn't it? I mean, if the top mark is essentially 100% to mean "there's nothing that reasonably could have been done to improve it" and A is defined as 80-100, then you can't to better than A. Or if the top mark is 1.0 and the worst passing mark is 4.0, and A means 1.0, then you can't do better than A.

They already went way outside, above and beyond anything I could've imagined. How do you change a grade decades after the course? Surely they're locked down soon after. To me, just going off and making it an A (rather than the professor just saying "well I've got egg on my face don't I?") is already incredible and a generous deviation from the bureaucracy.

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by crawfordcomeaux on Thursday October 24, 2019 @11:32PM (#21351626)
Oh absolutely! I simply want to challenge the disempowering language of bureaucracy that involves saying someone "can't" do something.

There's literally an infinite number of ways to adapt the system to allow for a higher-than-A grade. Choosing to not do it is still a choice.

I'm not claiming they should've done anything different. I'm merely making sure bureaucracy's responsibility in this matter is pinned down.

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by watwut on Friday October 25, 2019 @02:08AM (#21352324)
"I can't do it" is pretty much normal way how to convey not just it is physically impossible. It normally means:

* It is not up to me to decide that, it would be overreaching my mandate to make that change. * This is against my moral values. * This is against rules that everyone else bothered to follow.

All these are valid choices and right choices. The bureaucracy responsibility in cases like this is literally to resist the pressure to make exception just so someone feels good.

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by lbatista on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:03AM (#21344753)
I like the 19/20 French system.

Numberphile has a nice video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzrRkhU248A

Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by lallysingh on Thursday October 24, 2019 @08:59AM (#21344199)
Probably breaks some column constraints.
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by pryffwyd on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:53AM (#21345241)
Definitely. Adding an extra grade I'm sure would require at least a couple hours of technical work and haunt subsystems and stats analysts for decades to come. Not worth it.
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by ska on Thursday October 24, 2019 @01:23PM (#21346872)
FWIW I remember a (peoplesoft, iirc) roll out that was so painful that certain departments changed their entire course numbering and taxonomy system, because that was easier than teaching the software new tricks.
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by leetcrew on Thursday October 24, 2019 @03:14PM (#21348159)
the school's database may not store strings like "A", "B+", etc. I'd guess it stores grade points, which can be more directly used to calculate GPA. so at schools where A is the highest grade, it is already represented by 4.0. it's probably more trouble than it's worth to accommodate values outside this range just to symbolically correct a grade several decades later.
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by theturtletalks on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @09:21PM (#21340779)
I’ve never been more proud of my alma mater.
Re:US Constitution – A Git repo with history of edits by nojvek on Thursday October 24, 2019 @12:25AM (#21341623)
Would love to see this as a movie. Or at-least a book