Re:SoftBank to take control of WeWork: Sources
by H8crilA on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:05PM
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The future profits only need to be higher than the $5B plus whatever they can get today from liquidating their existing holding. Sunk cost fallacy, or "what is done is done".
Re:SoftBank to take control of WeWork: Sources
by sicromoft on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:32PM
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Don't forget opportunity cost. The future profits need to be higher than the $5B plus liquidation value, PLUS the expected value of another investment at the margin.
Re:SoftBank to take control of WeWork: Sources
by H8crilA on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:40PM
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Oh yeah you can use the yield curve to discount future flows, and then demand something extra on top of that (Graham's margin of safety).
Re:SoftBank to take control of WeWork: Sources
by milesskorpen on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:05PM
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There needs to be some kind of exit, because at some point the Vision Fund needs to return money to investors - and that's a lot sooner than "run WeWork to earn back $5b+ via dividends" would take.
Re:SoftBank to take control of WeWork: Sources
by philwelch on Monday October 21, 2019 @09:10PM
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As soon as it’s been transformed into a profitable business, the exit is going to become an option.
Re:SoftBank to take control of WeWork: Sources
by goatinaboat on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @01:59AM
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Does WeWork ever need to IPO?
Yes. The Vision Fund, like all VC funds, has a finite lifespan that all the investors agreed to when they funded it.
Re:SoftBank to take control of WeWork: Sources
by YokoZar on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @04:08AM
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They could do a direct listing instead - it's like an IPO but without raising additional capital. Just put your existing shares on the market.
WeWork, though, needs a lot more than new capital.
Re:SoftBank to take control of WeWork: Sources
by dodobirdlord on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @04:13AM
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True, but there's always the possibility of the Vision Fund selling WeWork to Softbank proper. And I don't think this round of investment is from the Vision Fund, so it appears that Softbank proper is going to end up with a larger stake than the Vision Fund already. I suppose there's also always the option of selling WeWork to Berkshire Hathaway or something if they can get it boring and profitable.
Re:SoftBank to take control of WeWork: Sources
by goatinaboat on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @05:12AM
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the possibility of the Vision Fund selling WeWork to Softbank proper.
I suppose it’s theoretically possible but Vision Fund invested $10.5Bn in WeWork expecting a multiple of that back for Vision Fund investors. Where will SoftBank get that kind of money?
If it turns WeWork profitable by cutting costs and implementing responsible leadership, it just keeps its share of all future profits. SoftBank wouldn't be doing this if it didn't think those profits were likely to be more than total investment so far.
In other words, WeWork got acquired instead of IPO-ing.