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Re:Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by bui... by TuringNYC on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:04PM (#21315976)
> In this case BoA are saving money but in exchange retain additional layers of staffing, that require oversight, and ultimately decision makers willing to take risks.

I've been at multiple Fortune 50 companies at multiple levels. Many times these types of infrastructure building are just forms of empire building and an attempt to embed ones' services in the organization at a very deep level. You convert one set of costs (AWS/GCP/Azure bills) for another set of costs (Infrastructure + Payroll). You also convert one set of headaches (CSP overcharging/auditing) for another (prima donna internal infra engineers.)

Re:Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by bui... by angry_octet on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:20PM (#21316841)
What's worse, someone being a prima donna or the unchangeable facts of AWS operation policies? You will always encounter roadblocks and misfeatures, but can you get around them?

Don't get me wrong, most corporate IT is deeply incompetent at their core job. It's just that you can't fix the deep problems by outsourcing the computer part.

Re:Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by bui... by dodobirdlord on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @01:58AM (#21320736)
> What's worse, someone being a prima donna or the unchangeable facts of AWS operation policies?

There's this great thing about BOA-sized support contracts where you get to call up the senior product managers and demand that they build the features that you want. And if you're not happy about something, engineers will drop what they're working on to appease you.

I wonder how many customers were interested in setting up a Custom Keystore for KMS on CloudHSM?

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/security/are-kms-custom-key-sto...

Re:Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by bui... by kthejoker2 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @03:39AM (#21321167)
Can confirm, I'd say 20-30% of all Azure features come directly from the product teams' Partner Advisory Council (read: top customers) meetings. Like "snap your fingers" implementation.
Re:Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by bui... by bonesss on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @06:51AM (#21322167)
And what's the alternative? Losing your biggest customers because you couldn't be assed to put a new button on some load-balancer configuration?

Of course, for small or medium customers whose finger snaps are ignored... WYSIWYG. The roadblocks in not-your cloud are still your roadblocks.

Re:Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by bui... by kthejoker2 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @10:13AM (#21323785)
Sorry, I guess it wasn't clear that I wasn't complaining or anything, just confirming the facts on the ground.

But (in a vacuum) when developing a solution to serve diverse needs and stakeholders, the HiPPO effect is definitely an anti-pattern.

Re:Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by bui... by meowface on Monday October 21, 2019 @06:21PM (#21318164)
Hopefully you'd think they compared those costs and still found the in-house option would be cheaper in the long run. Who knows, though, or who knows how accurate their estimates were.
Re:Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by bui... by TuringNYC on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @12:06AM (#21320292)
Once you are deeply embedded with the in-house option, you have no competition. Sometimes distinct layers bleed into each other and things get even more messy to untangle. Also, sometimes due to embarrassment alone, you continue with the in-house option.

With CSPs, at least you have four major players (AWS, GCP, Azure, Oracle Cloud, ?IBM?) competing prices downward and multiple theoretical options. Yes, you have your in-house CSP expert biasing things, but since most of the work is external, at least you dont have a heavy internal weight on a home-built choice.

IMHO, the better option would be a CSP-agnostic Kubernetes based layer. But IMHO we're not there yet.