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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by nixpulvis on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:32PM (#21185014)
And my music library slowly disappears from Apple Music (or Spotify) with every passing beat.

And my chat service (iMessage) won't let me talk with outside people... yes I know SMS still works.

And my photos slowly become fuzzy, surely this is a bug when it happens, right!?

And my backups are in proprietary encryption file systems. Well I changed that by moving off macOS at this point.

What's next, I don't even want to imagine anymore.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by noobermin on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:39PM (#21185708)
Along with the free software movement, I would be here with a movement that allows us to return to self-hosted, native and peer-to-peer services. There seem to be a smattering of them out there but they are disorganized and not united under one banner like FOSS is.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by lallysingh on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:50PM (#21185816)
Without building and running your own full-blown PC at home, I think the best option is a consumer NAS. Which are great; I love mine.

But they don't seem to advertise and very few people know it's a really good option (with phone apps to replace the cloud ones, even).

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by megous on Monday October 07, 2019 @05:59PM (#21186430)
It's possible to run server software on HW that costs $10-$15 + a cost of a SD card ($6 for 32GB). Power bill is negligible and there's no noise.

It's very cheap to run self-hosted these days even on your own HW. 1GB/20GB VMs cost $1-$2 per month.

Really, this should be an age of self-hosted if the cost was ever a limit.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by noobermin on Monday October 07, 2019 @06:38PM (#21186753)
Been wanting to start try nextcloudpi[0] but I need the time to learn and set it up (even if it's an hour of reading). My point is for someone not as willing to learn as me, it's at least harder than signing up for OneDrive, Dropbox, etc.

[0] https://ownyourbits.com/nextcloudpi/

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by benhurmarcel on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @03:34AM (#21189686)
I've been thinking of getting a Nextcloud instance at Hetzner maybe. It's fairly easy, and managed.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by lallysingh on Monday October 07, 2019 @08:33PM (#21187490)
It's the software support and maintenance that's hard. Replacement apps and configuration. Especially if you want to do email...
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by megous on Monday October 07, 2019 @09:09PM (#21187694)
You can't really do e-mail from home anyway, unless you get some tunnel to a fixed IP address that can build trust.

But it's possible to run all kinds of other stuff, if you know how. All kinds of scratch your itch apps, monitoring, backup, small web apps, file sharing, audio server, seedbox, databases, etc. Stuff you'd not find a service for, because it violates copyright when it's not done for personal use, etc.

It's especially useful if there are multiple people in the household.

Most of what you list are or can be one-time costs. And most of it can be automated in a run-a-script, check for errors and forget about it in 1 minute, or deal with some failure in 15minutes.

The main benefit of running your own is that there are almost no ongoing costs. Lot's of the SaaS prices are really overblown, so running your own is appealing there.

And people spend time and stress on dealing with SaaS issues too from time to time, so it's not like you just pay and use without any additional costs.

It just needs a serious consideration.

Also running your own can be fun/fulfilling in its own way, because you now have more control and you're allowed more creativity. For some people that may ba a benefit too.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by lallysingh on Monday October 07, 2019 @10:25PM (#21188067)
I picked up a Synology, it has replacement apps for photos (the big one) and others. Super easy, and it'll run docker images.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by Shaddox on Wednesday October 09, 2019 @05:34AM (#21201519)
Aren't consumer NAS expensive?
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by lallysingh on Wednesday October 09, 2019 @08:12AM (#21202396)
Less than a cheapish laptop, generally. More depending on storage and CPU/ram.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by tomphoolery on Monday October 07, 2019 @05:44PM (#21186270)
The "Fediverse" is close, but I think we need to go a step further and build a community of self-hosted, peer-to-peer services. While federation is a great first step, it still requires _someone_ to manage a server of N users...
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by neiman on Monday October 07, 2019 @06:46PM (#21186807)
The problem with pure peer-to-peer, is privacy. While now only one server knows what you do, in a peer-to-peer it changes to almost everyone who are connected.

You can can indeed improve privacy, but it normally means giving up speed (like Tor).

Additionally, there are other issues of p2p as a main solution. For example, phone battery or often being blocked in routers of public spaces etc.

I think that a mix between Fediverse and P2P would be nice.

A power user can choose to be a node, knowing the price. But the common user would use some server/service to access it. But those must be planned such that switching is easy.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by scarface74 on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:42PM (#21185127)
Your music library doesn’t disappear - if you bought music from iTunes. The music you bought would/could be on your computer. If you bought it within the last decade, it would be DRM free.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by djsumdog on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:52PM (#21185229)
iTunes has had bugs that try to remove duplicates and end up deleting peoples' own remixed material.

Amazon discovered they didn't have the rights to a book in Canada and deleted it off people devices. The book? 1984.

I think the iTunes issues have been fixed, but it's still stupid to not have your own backup independent of stuff accessible by "cloud" services.

I buy everything I can off bandcamp and download it to my machine. I occasionally buy off Amazon music, but I really hate it when that's the only option an artists has and would prefer to buy/rip a physical CD at a show. I keep my music on a 512GB microSD card (crazy these things exist now) and I always keep my own backups of my own content; buy DRM free whenever I can on Gog/Humble over Steam.

I prefer to have things I own, not licenses to software and content that can be revoked at any time.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by scarface74 on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:56PM (#21185267)
Amazon’s books contain DRM. iTunes music that you bought within the last decade was DRM free and could be played and backed up anywhere. Apple couldn’t “revoke” DRM free music that you backed up.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by awayfromhomenow on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:41PM (#21185728)
not all of Amazons books contain DRM. There's a big movement (mostly authors of Baean Books, afaik) that ask that the books be published DRM-free.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by WalterBright on Monday October 07, 2019 @08:25PM (#21187446)
The people who publish books on Amazon have the option of them being DRM-free or not. The books I publish on AMZN are DRM-free.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by ryukafalz on Monday October 07, 2019 @05:13PM (#21186005)
Anything published by Tor Books as well. (Us sci-fi fans are lucky!)

Generally, if the book I'm looking for is sold DRM-free, I'll buy the ebook for convenience. Otherwise, I'll go look for a used paper copy.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by im3w1l on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:28PM (#21185603)
When I last installed itunes on a new computer, not all my past purchases showed up as available for download anymore.

I talked with support and they explained that as I had bought them when I was living in another country I could no longer download them.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by scarface74 on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:30PM (#21185614)
And that’s the whole part about downloading the DRM free music you bought and keeping a local backup.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by im3w1l on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:38PM (#21185701)
Sure, I do have a local backup. But restoring from backup is inconvenient, and an important part of why I bought on itunes instead of ripping my own cd's was to reduce hassle and make my life more easy.

EDIT: And to restore from backup you have to know you're missing it. They never gave me any errors or warnings. Just a few things were missing. They're basically gaslighting their users.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by nixpulvis on Monday October 07, 2019 @05:25PM (#21186129)
The knowing it's missing is a great point! I was going crazy because I felt like my music was changing but I couldn't really tell, since I mostly play on shuffle. Took a little while to notice what was going on.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by alexis_fr on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:38PM (#21185703)
Seems like people didn’t know. Legitimate users didn’t know, while experts did.

More seriously, what prevented an Apple user from uploading it on Torrents? Was it watermarked so Apple would find the culprit?

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by scarface74 on Monday October 07, 2019 @05:11PM (#21185992)
No watermarking besides the standard AAC tags saying who the owner is.

Steve Jobs argued for DRM free music as a means to interoperability instead of licensing FairPlay way back in 2007 in his “Thoughts on Music” post. He argued that most music was already DRM free and easily copied and only a small percentage of music on most iPods was bought from iTunes.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by nixpulvis on Monday October 07, 2019 @05:35PM (#21186203)
Funny how it's so easy to forget this when you're the big player now.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by scarface74 on Monday October 07, 2019 @06:37PM (#21186742)
Apple was the big player for digital downloads and music players then.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by nixpulvis on Monday October 07, 2019 @07:04PM (#21186927)
Fair point. I was thinking more around the era of 2004.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by nixpulvis on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:50PM (#21185213)
Ah yes my music! You mean songs that have been overwritten by whatever match they decide is close enough (in some cases). Or you mean my music, that I've listened two maybe 200 times each. Or do you mean my music, that the artists themselves gave to me.

I don't much care for your argument, even if you're legally correct.

This would be less of an issue if the way people actually acquired music was still by buying the album, but that's not the case in the vast majority of people's experiences.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by scarface74 on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:54PM (#21185245)
No, I mean music that you purchased from iTunes and downloaded onto your computer and hopefully backed up.

As opposed to music that is part of a subscription where you explicitly knew was being rented.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by nixpulvis on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:59PM (#21185297)
I'm sorry, when was the last time you rented something to put into your "library".

The way they sell these subscription services doesn't make it at all clear to the users what they are buying.

P.S. plus think about who this model helps the most. It's surely not the artists themselves, especially if the songs I know and love can't be played anymore. What artist would want their work to become inaccessible to those who love it?

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by scarface74 on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:01PM (#21185330)
Are you really saying that most users don’t know when they stop paying for Apple Music or Spotify they will lose access to their music?

The iTunes Music Store where you buy music and pay a one time cost has been around since 2003 and has been completely DRM free since 2009.

That’s like saying people don’t know content isn’t on Netflix forever.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by nixpulvis on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:08PM (#21185388)
No of course we know they would go away if we stop paying, that's not my top issue. I've committed to paying $10/m (hoping prices don't change to much). Of course this isn't perfect, since it's not unimaginable that I'd need to stop paying for music monthly at some point.

What really offends me when music disappears while I'm paying monthly for the service.

TLDR; the entire subscription model is user hostile in most cases, like this one. And I'll argue it's also rather hostile to the artist here too.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by scarface74 on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:26PM (#21185572)
Do you also get offended when you pay for any of the subscription video services and content is removed?

If you don’t like music going away, especially with Apple Music, just buy the music you don’t want to lose and add it to your library. It integrates with the subscription service.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by wolco on Monday October 07, 2019 @05:15PM (#21186031)
I don't like seeing content just disappear from netflix. One of the worst features.

If I rent from the store I know how long I have. If I find something on netflix it could disappear while I'm still trying to get through it. If I save it chances are it won't be there in a few months.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by scarface74 on Monday October 07, 2019 @06:22PM (#21186617)
And that’s been true for premium TV like HBO forever where movies would be in heavy rotation for a few months and then not available.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by nixpulvis on Monday October 07, 2019 @05:52PM (#21186355)
Let me make up a story to help explain.

In a far off land of yesteryear, you live happily and healthfully in a small settlement. Despite not being a farmer yourself you own a rooster who wakes you up in time for work every morning.

After years of being awoken by the same rooster, a salesman comes to you telling you of a fancy device which will wake you up at ANY time you wish, not just when the sun rises. You think, this is great! I'll buy one, and wake up later on the weekends (ironically forgetting you still own a rooster...) Of course you knew how to feed the rooster, but this magic device needs power and breaks sometimes... and the only person around to help is, of course, the same salesman. He goes way out his way for you at first, offering free power, and quick repairs. But as time goes on, and as the masses make use of these alarms, he's unable to keep up the same level of service to you. Well that and he's too busy spending all the coin you've given him.

Finally you find yourself with a dead rooster (oops) and a broken alarm clock, with the only repairman out on vacation, while you're missing work in the mornings. Sadly rooster alarm clocks have fallen out of style, and the thought of owning one sounds as crazy then as it does to us now.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by TeMPOraL on Monday October 07, 2019 @07:52PM (#21187258)
That's a very inaccurate story. Let me correct it.

First of all, you don't buy an alarm clock, you rent one and pay a monthly subscription. The salesman is all happy to elaborate on the benefits of this arrangement - you won't have to worry about batteries and repairs and such. You're a smart farmer, in your head a CEO of a farming corporation, so you buy the "capex vs opex" argument.

Secondly, the alarm clock doesn't break. You pay the fee, and it works. Except they replace it every two weeks with a slightly different one. Prettier, the salesman says. Over time it loses all the ergonomic handles and knobs, and becomes a flat pane of glass. Better UX, the salesman says. Sometimes weird things happen - you have an impression that it never shows 4:20 PM, or that alarms only fire on even numbered minutes. This may have to do with some contractual kerfuffle between the alarm clock provider and their "partners", because apparently time is intellectual property now.

Then one day you notice that the alarm clock has a camera and a microphone. When cornered, the salesman admits it had one from the very earliest model, and defends themselves by asking how else would they know how to make the product better (and no big deal about the 180 advertising partners; all they care about is making sure your day is even better by getting right products to you). Disgusted, you cut the microphone and tape up the camera (and get accused of stealing revenue from "honest companies").

Then one day your alarm clock bricks itself, because your government said or did something wrong in relation to oil prices and the US government decided your country can go to hell - and since your alarm clock is provided by a US company, it gets stuck forever showing 6:66 AM.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by fyfy18 on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:37PM (#21185072)
Don't forget no longer being able to watch your favourite movies, when the studios decide the service you subscribe to is no longer profitable for them.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by acdha on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:23PM (#21185547)
If it has DRM, your mistake was thinking of it as a purchase rather than a rental.
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Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by acdha on Monday October 07, 2019 @04:32PM (#21185644)
I’m glad they called it Apple Music to avoid confusion: iTunes is stuff you own, Apple Music is a rental library.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by nixpulvis on Monday October 07, 2019 @08:53PM (#21187606)
looks for an app named iTunes...
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by benj111 on Monday October 07, 2019 @05:42PM (#21186250)
Your books start disappearing from your ereader?

https://io9.gizmodo.com/amazon-secretly-removes-1984-from-th...

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by fouc on Monday October 07, 2019 @11:26PM (#21188436)
>And my photos slowly become fuzzy, surely this is a bug when it happens, right!?

What are you referring to here? The switch to retina display which makes all the old photos seem fuzzy if displayed at the same "resolution" ?

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by CryptoPunk on Monday October 07, 2019 @05:06PM (#21185938)
As unpopular as it is in general-subject tech forums, the solution is data stores that provide decentralization and censorship resistance through distributed consensus enabled by crypto-economics, namely the blockchain.

One day, the provision of every electronic service in the world could be coordinated in a censorship resistant manner on the blockchain. Before that happens, the cryptoasset/blockchain space's software suite needs to be improved, with solutions to problems like stolen and lost private keys, and scalability needs to improve a few orders of magnitude, but seeing all of the development on dApps and smart wallets, and all the work happening to enable layer 1 sharding and to develop layer 2 scalability mechanisms like zk roll-up, I suspect it's inevitable.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by nixpulvis on Monday October 07, 2019 @08:56PM (#21187628)
I think I agree with you, at least in principle. But there's a lot of ground to cover, and powerful forces who would like to remain in control, and new bad actors looking for new ways to gain control. Nothing's going to be as clean and easy as we'd like it to be :(
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by CryptoPunk on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:08AM (#21192463)
>>Nothing's going to be as clean and easy as we'd like it to be :(

Very true. I often gloss over that harsh aspect of reality.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by icebraining on Monday October 07, 2019 @07:03PM (#21186917)
Why do you need consensus at all?
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by CryptoPunk on Monday October 07, 2019 @07:25PM (#21187068)
For markets to operate, you need a global consensus on the state of ownership.
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by TeMPOraL on Monday October 07, 2019 @08:02PM (#21187321)
I don't think it'll help with anything except perpetuating the artificial scarcity.

The most basic proof of ownership is the fact of having that something, and there being no party claiming that you took it from them. Copying bits is so cheap everyone can get a copy from someone else who volunteered their copy and there's no point in even metering that. There's arguably little sense to have a market for digital data, yet we persist at trying. What you're seeking with blockchain is proof of compliance with a complex and somewhat arbitrary set of regulations.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by CryptoPunk on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:03AM (#21192400)
Bandwidth and storage are both scarce resources and metering them out so producers are compensated is necessary to enable an economically sufficient quantity of both to be produced.

I agree that intellectual property rights might reduce overall efficiency due to the artificial complexity and friction it adds.

Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by spsful on Monday October 07, 2019 @10:55PM (#21188228)
I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Half of these aren't even problems?
Re:Adobe deactivates all Venezuelan accounts by rimliu on Tuesday October 08, 2019 @10:18AM (#21192557)
Move on. It is just a popular rant.