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Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by anonygler on Thursday October 03, 2019 @01:36AM (#21144041)
This reeks of whataboutism. IP theft is problematic and nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has. The Chinese intelligence apparatus is actively engaged in IP theft as well.
Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by tedivm on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:01AM (#21144158)
The entire US Industrial Revolution was kicked off by Francis Cabot Lowell stealing the designs of British power looms. Alexander Hamilton, as treasury secretary, adopted an actual policy of stealing technology and sent spies to Britain as well.

This is how it works. Countries without technology steal it from those that do. It's basically a market force- if you don't make it available at something approaching a reasonable cost then it will be duplicated through research or just directly stolen.

Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by beerandt on Thursday October 03, 2019 @03:00AM (#21144425)
Context:

The two countries were still enemies at the time and on the verge of war. If I recall my history correctly, the trade routes collapsed when Britain stopped selling America textiles, stopped buying American cotton and then tried to blockade the entire country.

Yes stealing the loom filled a void in the American market, but in this case Britain isn't exactly blameless.

It wasn't really the same market forces that we see today, unless I'm missing something. China's not stealing IP to fill any market void.

Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by sharpneli on Thursday October 03, 2019 @08:41AM (#21146270)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enercon

See Patent Dispute.

I’m not saying US does this as much as China. It would be hard as US is the tech leader in many fields.

But whenever US is not a tech leader they happily engage in government sanctioned industrial espionage (Not Officially Officially sanctioned but wink and nod whoopsie kind of). Thus the complaints about what China is doing ring hollow.

Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by rjzzleep on Thursday October 03, 2019 @01:47AM (#21144100)
It's how innovation happened throughout human history. The entire oh so celebrated age of enlightenment happened this way.

Nobody would come to the conclusion to call that IP theft though.

Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by jdnenej on Thursday October 03, 2019 @03:42AM (#21144626)
IP theft does not exist. IP is an invalid concept and can not exist in a free society.
Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by oska on Thursday October 03, 2019 @06:16AM (#21145366)
Agreed. The whole 'IP theft' story is bullshit and founded on an intellectual fiction (that ideas can be property).
Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by ARandomerDude on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:04AM (#21144171)
> nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has

Translation: what about all the countries that aren't as bad as China?

A certain amount of "whataboutism" is unavoidable if you attempt to make any comparative statments, or believe inductive reasoning is possible.

Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by rjf72 on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:53AM (#21144401)
I also think 'whataboutism' is critical to maintain logic consistency and try to avoid bias. For instance imagine I dislike group X, and and I use a condemnation of action A (which they engage in) as part of the justification for that dislike. If my condemnation of A is valid and genuine supportive evidence of my rationale for disliking X then A should be bad in contexts other than when X is engaging in it.

And so comparing A when done by actors other than X is absolutely critical in determining whether it's actually indeed a bad action, or whether I'm simply clouded by bias and calling it bad because of my dislike of X.

In searching Google Trends it's somewhat unsurprising to find that 'whataboutism' as a term didn't even really exist until around 2017 [1] when partisan driven bias and antagonism started to exponentially skyrocket. It's quite an insidious term since it helps deflect potentially logical critique of irrational views, but has a paradoxical connotation of legitimacy and intellectual authenticity.

[1] - https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=w...

Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by coldtea on Thursday October 03, 2019 @08:48AM (#21146339)
>This reeks of whataboutism

Yes, aka "putting things in perspective" and "not doing one-sided criticism"...

Why don't all these whatabouters don't just let us blame whoever we want, and keep mum for shit ourselves or our friends did/do?

Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by SmellyGeekBoy on Thursday October 03, 2019 @06:19AM (#21145383)
> This reeks of whataboutism ... nobody has ever engaged in it to the extent that China has.

I hope you see the irony (hypocrisy?) in this statement.

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Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by linuxdude314 on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:48AM (#21144374)
Notice how your other posts have already been deleted?

How do you define a better human being? Let me guess, you fit in that group!

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Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by dang on Thursday October 03, 2019 @03:25AM (#21144546)
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Re:Samsung ends mobile phone production in China by mda on Thursday October 03, 2019 @02:23AM (#21144268)
It is whataboutism I agree, whenever something about China comes up the very first comment is usually a "what about... "