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Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by tedsanders on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:01PM (#21139128)
This is one reason why I don't like living near freeways, especially near on-ramps, off-ramps, and interchanges. Car pollution isn't just tailpipe emissions - I believe a lot of airborne particulates come from tires and brakes (especially during acceleration, deceleration, and turning).

https://www.cdc.gov/air/particulate_matter.html

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by cwkoss on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:54PM (#21139619)
Cody's Lab did an episode where he collected and refined freeway dust: it's actually decent grade platinum 'ore' from catalytic converter deposition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5GPWJPLcHg

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by newnewpdro on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @04:29PM (#21140443)
Sure, in small quantities, it's not the majority of the volume they collected though.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by cwkoss on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @07:22PM (#21141845)
Mining operations rarely find pure metals in the ground. Ore is a dilute mixture of rock with trace metals which must be extracted through processing.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by newnewpdro on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @07:43PM (#21141999)
To categorize what's found on the shoulders of highways entirely as an ore of some trace metal is to completely dismiss the rest of its content as irrelevant, despite being the bulk of its volume, in a discussion ostensibly about pollution.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by jartelt on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @04:47PM (#21140577)
California air quality regulators have stated that we shouldn't have any housing within 500 feet of freeways. Living near freeways increases your risk of a host of negative health effects (asthma, heart issues, etc).

https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-freeway-pollu...

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by RandomInteger4 on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @09:53PM (#21142818)
Maybe California should worry about having adequate affordable housing before worrying about where said housing is located.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by roflchoppa2 on Thursday October 03, 2019 @11:13AM (#21147955)
yeah fuck em, lets just put them next to the oil distilleries in Richmond. freeway and air pollutants.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by RandomInteger4 on Thursday October 03, 2019 @10:56PM (#21154420)
A cheaper home next to a freeway is probably healthier than living on the street.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by hinkley on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:42PM (#21139492)
Came up in conversation when I took my car in that up until recently they were using little bits of copper in brake pads for... noise control? heat? I can't recall which.

But that's been outlawed now, presumably due to potential for metal toxicity (any mineral you need in your diet is also lethal at higher doses). We're leaving powdered copper at every stop light.

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by kube-system on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @03:02PM (#21139688)
Copper is still very common in brake pads, both in the semi-metallic and ceramic varieties. California phases out copper-containing brake pads starting in 2025.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by hinkley on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @03:17PM (#21139842)
Now that you mention it I think he did mention California. It's entirely likely he said "are banning" and I took that as present tense and not future tense.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by newnewpdro on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @04:26PM (#21140415)
Copper is used as bottom-coat on sailboats, it's also used as a non-hormonal contraceptive IUD material.

I don't think it's terribly harmful for humans if it's safe for a women's uterus. California tends to be exceptionally concerned for the environment in general. All that copper dust making it into the coastal marine environments isn't going to be good for it, considering the same stuff is used to keep marine life off boats.

edit:

"The issue has been under consideration since the 1990s, when cities south of San Francisco were having trouble meeting Clean Water Act requirements to reduce copper in urban run-off flowing into San Francisco Bay. Preliminary studies indicated that brake pads were a significant source of copper in that runoff. Tiny amounts of copper fall onto the streets and parking lots every time drivers step on their brakes."

from https://www.copper.org/environment/impact/copper-brake.html

As I suspected, it doesn't appear to be primarily a human toxicity concern. It's to protect the marine environment.

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by reaperducer on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:49PM (#21139568)
Weren't brakes made of asbestos at one time?
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by kube-system on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @03:12PM (#21139793)
Canada banned asbestos brakes this year. Brakes are still exempted under US asbestos bans. Manufacturers and repair shops avoid them for obvious reasons, but they're not illegal.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-2006-05-04-06050400...

https://canada.autonews.com/article/20180107/CANADA/18010983...

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by acomjean on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @04:33PM (#21140471)
they were. But they used asbestos in a lot of things back in the day. I worked in a building with asbestos in the floor tiles. When they did constructions that involved removing the tiles, it became a big deal.

Asbestos isn't that harmful, until it goes airborne. My understanding from research (I worked expanding a landfill that took asbestos at one point). is that the particles are too small to be caught by our bodies defenses and when it ends up in your lungs its cancerous. Asbestos in brakes seems like a bad idea.

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesothelioma

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by hinkley on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @03:13PM (#21139802)
There's another thread that claims that was 50 years ago.

I believe a lot of the stopping power comes from ceramic cinders in the pads. Those showed up in high end bicycle brake pads about 25 years ago, and I think they were old news in high performance cars before that. I have a fuzzy recollection that they trickled down into mid-tier vehicles not long after that. 2000-ish?

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by KingPrad on Thursday October 03, 2019 @12:43PM (#21148964)
Yes. Napa and other brake manufacturers are called into lots of mesothelioma trials. Brake pad exposure is usually smaller contributors to such cases. That is, the victim often had much worse exposure other places, but they still look at how much brake pad exposure the person had too.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by tempestn on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @04:29PM (#21140441)
I don't know about copper in particular, but metallic content is very common in sport or racing pads for additional 'bite' (higher friction) and heat tolerance.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by claudeganon on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @04:13PM (#21140306)
I once had to wait at a bus stop right next to the 405 in Los Angeles for a good 30 minutes. It felt like being suffocated.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by fokinsean on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @04:27PM (#21140424)
Up until 97(?) brakes used to be lined with asbestos. It wouldn't surprise me if there is a detectable amount close to highways as well.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by sjg007 on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @10:27PM (#21142980)
You don't want to live within 5 miles of a freeway or major road really..
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by anon1m0us on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:13PM (#21139229)
The airborne particulates from brakes is asbestos!

edit: Very odd that both mine and the contradictory reply to it are both down voted. What I said is a fact, so I'm not sure why anyone would disagree with it.

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:15PM (#21139250)
This hasn't been the case since the early 80s.

Edit: Yes, you can probably find some no-name pads with asbestos if you look hard. Nobody is selling them knowingly in the US or EU. There are definitively some pads/shoes from the far east that contain asbestos. They don't get purchased by the auto parts stores and big parts suppliers that supply the shops that change most of the countries brakes. They get sold to importers who don't care what they're made of who are selling them on Amazon/Ebay/etc to DIYers at bottom dollar prices. That is such a tiny slice of a tiny slice of all pads it's basically nonexistant.

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by likpok on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:24PM (#21139316)
Ford was shipping cars with asbestos brakes in 1993. Asbestos brakes are still readily available on the aftermarket.

Brake pads since 2015 sold in California and Washington must have less than 0.1% asbestos by weight (it's unclear to me if that's asbestos alone, or asbestos and other heavy metals like cadmium or mercury). Since the ban was put into place in 2015, you can reasonably infer a) that there were brake pads above that limit in 2014 and b) there are brake pads slightly under that limit today.

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by dajohnson89 on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:32PM (#21139407)
the subway brakes in washington dc are abestos brakes. you can smell them quite strongly.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by kleton on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:51PM (#21139587)
Can you really smell asbestos? I can't imagine silicate rock having a very high vapour pressure.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by rootusrootus on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @04:32PM (#21140463)
That is not correct. WMATA hasn't used asbestos brake pads in many years. Whatever you think you smell, that's not it
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @05:12PM (#21140779)
Considering the smell from brakes in subways and freight rail yards is the same as burned brakes and clutches on modern vehicles (which do not use asbestos) I am going to need a citation for that.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by undersuit on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @03:55PM (#21140169)
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by robocat on Friday October 04, 2019 @08:06AM (#21156747)
"Asbestos was used on Metro's cars when they first started running in 1976, but only a few of the asbestos pads remain in service." - written in 1980 in Washington Post - see link in sibling comment.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by nathancahill on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:41PM (#21139485)
Huh, TIL. Never knew what that smell was.
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by undersuit on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @03:57PM (#21140183)
Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by badrequest on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:22PM (#21139300)
According to the Wikipedia article[1] for the company mentioned in one of the other replies to this comment:

> The Raymark facility operated at (the Stratford) location from 1919 until 1989, manufacturing asbestos brake linings and other automotive asbestos products.

so it hasn't been true for 30 years. :)

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raybestos#Superfund_site_clean...

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by everdrive on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:18PM (#21139270)
Without sarcasm, what are "raybestos" brakes made out of then?

[edit]

Thanks all for the clarification.

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by bcrosby95 on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:24PM (#21139317)
https://www.asbestos.com/companies/raybestos-manhattan-rayma...

Apparently the company hasn't produced a product with asbestos in it since the 80s.

Re:Car tires biggest likely source of microplastics in Calif... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday October 02, 2019 @02:24PM (#21139314)
Not asbestos and haven't been for decades. They actually have something like "contain no asbestos" on the box (or maybe it's on a piece of paper in the box, it's been awhile).