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Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by CPLX on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:56AM (#21113712)
Yes, I believe publicly advocating for certain things can severely break cultural norms and make it impossible for you to effectively hold a leadership role in an educational or advocacy setting.

Are you arguing that no social norms violation should ever result in being fired? You can go to work and scream at people at the top of your lungs? Tell the receptionist you’re glad she had a miscarriage? Use the sink as a urinal?

Assuming we agree that at least one or two things may get you fired from your job, it’s then possible to follow up with some observations:

1) Saying it’s ok for adults to fuck minors is definitely on that list

2) I’m ok with that

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by ndury on Monday September 30, 2019 @07:09AM (#21113832)
Correct me if i'm wrong but it sounds like you're trying to say 'People who have a leadership role in an educational or advocacy setting are not entitled to have a certain opinion or preference that does not fall within the lines our "society" has drawn out to be normal?'

AFAIK there are plenty of high positioned people in important positions whom have a special preference to something. Whether it be a kink or a total different view/approach on certain topics.

Does that mean we're going to hunt down every one in a high position because they think outside of the box? Because they have a preference to something society seems not normal? Does that mean we'll need to hunt down every thought leader/high positioned CEO/CFO/COO/board member with public appearance that enjoys the occassional whipping?

This topic is pretty disturbing to me personally. Qualified, intelligent people are criticized/publicly shamed for having thoughts/opinions/preferences which have absolutely nothing to do with their occupation.

It feels to me as if we're, as a society, doing anything we can to remove people who think/feel differently from what they're actually good at/dedicated their life to. My thoughts/opinions might not stroke with what people here have written, if what has been reported is true the behavior is not OK but does that mean the man needs to be removed from a position he dedicated his life to?

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by CPLX on Monday September 30, 2019 @07:18AM (#21113905)
I mean the guy can think whatever the fuck he wants. He can even tell his friends. He can use nipple clamps and be consentingly spanked with kitchen implements. Nobody gives a shit about any of that stuff.

But if you publicly say stuff like this:

"I think it is morally absurd to define 'rape' in a way that depends on minor details such as which country it was in or whether the victim was 18 years old or 17."

"I think that everyone age 14 or above ought to take part in sex, though not indiscriminately. (Some people are ready earlier.)"

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily [sic] pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing."

Then other people might not want to make the highly discretionary decision to let you, specifically, run their organization.

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by ng12 on Monday September 30, 2019 @07:40AM (#21114127)
There are many countries in the world where the age of consent is 14. It was so in Canada, our physical and cultural neighbor, until 2008. Why is it so wildly unacceptable opinion to question an arbitrary line of US law?
Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by gus_massa on Monday September 30, 2019 @11:42AM (#21116548)
What about other topics like alcohol? Can I think that the 21 years old limit is weird?
Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by lazylizard on Monday September 30, 2019 @08:08AM (#21114370)
But he was the leader of the free software foundation. Free as in speech.
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Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by mpweiher on Monday September 30, 2019 @01:36PM (#21117752)
The age of consent in China is 14. I am assuming that most people there are OK with this.

So, in your opinion, Chinese people are automatically disqualified for any and all leadership positions?

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Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by dang on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:57PM (#21120450)
If you can't make your points respectfully, please stop posting here until you can.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by frabbit on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:50PM (#21131719)
I don't think it's disrespectful to call out someone who has previously made the _exact same_ mis-representation of a highly contentious issue as acting in bad faith and thus untrustworthy.

There is a concerted and prolonged attempt underway to completely muddy the waters around this issue and either through emotion or insincerity this poster has been hammering away at what they are aware is at best a distortion of the facts.

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Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by dang on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:57PM (#21120452)
If you can't make your points respectfully, please stop posting here until you can.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by Chris2048 on Monday September 30, 2019 @11:41AM (#21116528)
> no social norms violation

There is a difference between disagreement with a norm (or, in this case, a hypothetical argument that doesn't advocate either way), and a violation. When did Stallman advocate against "fuck[ing] minors"?