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Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by sascha_sl on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:31AM (#21113509)
before someone goes into a defensive rage... rms being a creep and particularly women at MIT going to great lengths to avoid him is well documented

these remarks, while slightly distorted by the media, are still part of a pattern of dismissing sexual assault (including the way RMS insists on not using the word assault despite it being well understood that assault does not have to be physical violence)

rms is the sort of person who overshoots principled to a point everyone is tired of talking to them and where in-person criticism dies before it is even expressed because why bother with someone who will never seek to be better anyway and that afforded him a lot of leeway, even if i think the means of removing him now have been not entirely clean, it still was overdue

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by goatinaboat on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:42AM (#21113576)
women at MIT going to great lengths to avoid him is well documented

Genuine question: where is this documented? I have been using GNU stuff for 25 years and until now have never heard about this. Do you have links to reputable sources?

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by foldr on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:59AM (#21113746)
Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by doubleunplussed on Monday September 30, 2019 @12:08PM (#21116868)
So are weird polyamorous people who are into "cuddle puddles" committing sexual assault or something similar by advertising that fact?

It seems to me that Stallman advertising that he likes cuddles is automatically considered creepy, beyond the pale, whereas if a properly woke community of appropriately diverse individuals did the same, it would be just considered part of that culture and accepted.

What's more, Stallman used to be part of what that community used to be. He is a hippie. I bet people not up to speed on him reading about this incident assume he's an alt-righter who voted for Trump, but he supports Bernie Sanders, says that Australians should vote for the Greens, and advocates for weird gender-neutral pronouns.

And he likes cuddles and dared to advertise that fact!

I acknowledge that putting that on a business card is out of line in today's culture, but god I wish it wasn't. If you are creeped out by an old man wanting cuddles, but you wouldn't if it were someone else, then you are a bigot. And if you're creeped out any people at all advertising that they like cuddles, then that is stifling and the future is going to be bland and full of lonely people.

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by foldr on Monday September 30, 2019 @01:38PM (#21117773)
>So are weird polyamorous people who are into "cuddle puddles" committing sexual assault or something similar by advertising that fact?

Nobody is accusing RMS of committing sexual assault.

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by doubleunplussed on Monday September 30, 2019 @01:53PM (#21117916)
Fine. Are the hypothetical weird poly people ineligible to work for MIT because they openly advertise their enthusiasm for cuddle puddles?

Edit: also, there are plenty of people accusing Stallman of sexual assault. But I'm happy to argue under the pretence that that isn't true.

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by foldr on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @02:24AM (#21122533)
Who is accusing RMS of sexual assault?

>Are the hypothetical weird poly people ineligible to work for MIT because they openly advertise their enthusiasm for cuddle puddles?

If they do it in a professional context, I would say yes.

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by EdwardDiego on Monday September 30, 2019 @07:35AM (#21114074)
> before someone goes into a defensive rage... rms being a creep and particularly women at MIT going to great lengths to avoid him is well documented

I can't believe this hasn't been asked yet - if the allegations are founded, why didn't MIT do anything as his employer? They have a statutory obligation to provide a safe workplace.

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by sascha_sl on Monday September 30, 2019 @07:41AM (#21114131)
I hate to be the one to draw the feminism card on HN because I know I'll attract a swarm of people that'll 'disagree' with me by shouting things at me, but that is called rape culture, and despite the confusing name, it is not solely about rape.

If that sounds hard to believe I can empathise, it took a personal anecdote for me to get and notice the spread of it too.

If you're wondering how one would be disincentivized, have a lot at how people react:

https://medium.com/p/a7e41e784f88/responses/show

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by EdwardDiego on Monday September 30, 2019 @08:17AM (#21114465)
I scrolled for a bit, but that didn't answer my question about MIT's culpability and lack of action on allegations made to them.

Oh wait, you're saying that no allegations were made to them? Did I read that right?

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by sascha_sl on Monday September 30, 2019 @08:26AM (#21114540)
I don't know, there doesn't seem to be any documented instances of that I can find. Doesn't mean there wasn't any, but as I said, disincentives to reporting are high.
Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by EdwardDiego on Monday September 30, 2019 @08:29AM (#21114567)
Which makes me worry about MIT the organisation then - a healthy organisation would have processes in place to minimise those disincentives.
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Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by dang on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:41PM (#21120349)
Please stop breaking the HN like this, regardless of how right you are or how wrong other comments are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by eej2ya1K on Monday September 30, 2019 @07:50AM (#21114214)
Are you... are you serious? Do you expect this to convince sane people? The disingenuousness on display in these threads is amazing.

"Maybe this is RMS's last-ditch effort to return to his glory days, when he could put abortion references in the documentation, and talk about virginity in his conference talks, and nobody would push back."

"I’m a CIS male and I’ve avoided GPL and every event he’s associated with in boston for over ten years because I didn’t like his macho-aggressive attitudes towards everything."

"If a women reports a FOSS hero, does anyone hear it?"

Oh, and for some reason pretty much everyone in these threads is either mistaken or deliberately lying about his recent comments about Minsky.

These people are trying to ruin someone's life and they're treating the entire thing like a joke.

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by sascha_sl on Monday September 30, 2019 @08:28AM (#21114561)
>Do you expect this to convince sane people?

I don't expect this to convince insane people. By which i mean you're insane. You take people using inclusive language as automatically dismissible. Clear sign I'm wasting my time.

>Oh, and for some reason pretty much everyone in these threads is either mistaken or deliberately lying about his recent comments about Minsky.

These threads are mostly dated 2018. The one tweet that isn't is referencing a talk from August. I don't know what you're talking about.

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by rando832 on Monday September 30, 2019 @07:44AM (#21114163)
So, basically, exactly what the article says, a big nothing. The plants thing is stupid, rms doesn't hate plants. Sarah Mei appears to have no special reason to hate rms, shes a well known person who is extremely negative about anyone in software who's said anything offensive, including Linus, etc.
Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by sascha_sl on Monday September 30, 2019 @08:36AM (#21114639)
>The plants thing is stupid, rms doesn't hate plants.

Source? I have no reason to disbelieve the claim, this discussion on Wikipedia seems to correlate it too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Richard_Stallman/Archive_...

Besides dismissing one person at face value... is that all you have to say about these?

Re:In Defense of Richard Stallman by Corazoor on Monday September 30, 2019 @09:07AM (#21114917)
Well... An anonymous source, from the internet, which itself had heard of this only through another party. Dismissing unreliable sources like that is a safe default, no?

But more to the matter at hand, Stallman himself has a story about him smelling on plants, albeit dead: https://stallman.org/articles/texas.html

So, the far more reliable source seems to suggest that, indeed, he doesn't fear plants.