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Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by djsumdog on Friday September 27, 2019 @04:14PM (#21095844)
Tap water in the developed world is really really good. You can measure a country by the ability of that nation to provide clean water to people. Municipal water supplies in cities like Atlanta and Cincinnati are often tested 200~300 times per month at several pumping and maintenance locations. Bottled water is a scam, and it also is a resources that's often extracted from poor countries and communities.

The documentary Tapped and Blue Gold both go into all the screwed up thing the bottle water industry does. For countries without clean water, bottled water is not the solution. Better municipal water, more wells and cheaper, low energy water purification around those wells is a much more sustainable solution.

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by fireattack on Friday September 27, 2019 @04:23PM (#21095926)
>Bottled water is a scam, and it also is a resources that's often extracted from poor countries and communities

Are you sure about this? My impression is that the price/weight ratio of bottled water is way to low to make any sense to not bottle them in close proximity, so "extracted from poor countries" doesn't sound plausible.

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by onion2k on Friday September 27, 2019 @04:46PM (#21096114)
The bottled water is produced close to where it's sold. The issue is in countries where the water bottling plant takes up lots of the available local water so the poorer citizens can't access it, and they can't afford the bottled water either. This means they don't have access to any clean water.

One of Nestle's recent CEOs actually went on record to say say he didn't believe access to clean water should be a human right.

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by Reason077 on Friday September 27, 2019 @04:51PM (#21096155)
> "The bottled water is produced close to where it's sold."

Well, not always. Premium brands are often shipped long distances. Evian, Fiji water, etc...

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by tokai on Friday September 27, 2019 @10:50PM (#21098094)
Voss made a fortune selling Norwegian tap water around the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voss_(water)

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by inimino on Saturday September 28, 2019 @02:38AM (#21098841)
I used to like their glass bottles, recently I bought again and found they have switched to plastic (at least in some markets) that looks the same and even feels the same until you open it. Fooled me once, shame on them; will never buy again.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by Reason077 on Saturday September 28, 2019 @10:09AM (#21100355)
If you look carefully at the base of the bottle, the glass version has molding marks (raised dots and ridges) that aren't present the plastic version.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by reaperducer on Friday September 27, 2019 @05:14PM (#21096354)
I've seen New York City municipal water sold in supermarkets on the west coast. The brand was something clever like NYC2O.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by rrix2 on Friday September 27, 2019 @07:38PM (#21097236)
I wonder if anyone's tried making bagels with it yet.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by reaperducer on Saturday September 28, 2019 @10:40AM (#21100513)
There was a place in Las Vegas called Glaziers that had New York City water trucked in to make its bagels. They were very good, but very expensive.

It's out of business now.

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by fireattack on Friday September 27, 2019 @04:54PM (#21096179)
Can't access what, tap water?

That sounds more like a problem of the local government than factories of bottled water.

>he didn't believe access to clean water should be a human right

Depends on the definition of "human right". You still pay for even the tap water in your home after all.

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by SamReidHughes on Friday September 27, 2019 @05:14PM (#21096350)
One might argue that being allowed to dig a well on your land for drinking water is a human right. Clean water was once the natural order of things.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by Moru on Friday September 27, 2019 @06:03PM (#21096667)
But if the neighbour is called Nestlé and has a deeper well, your well will go dry.

This model shows the problem nicely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF4iCgxsZX4

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by pbhjpbhj on Friday September 27, 2019 @05:58PM (#21096642)
Basically in countries where water supplies are limited Nestle come in and buy the water, meaning wells go dry but Nestle still have enough to sell. Those in water poverty can't outbid Nestle, nor pay the right people bungs.

Snopes does cover the situation quite well (see link upthread).

This sort of thing: https://www.nationofchange.org/2019/08/30/nestle-waters-prop....

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by rb808 on Friday September 27, 2019 @05:32PM (#21096472)
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by GeneralTspoon on Friday September 27, 2019 @06:18PM (#21096755)
He did say that he thinks the idea that bottled water is a human right is “extreme”, and that he doesn’t believe it should be.

Full quote:

> “Water is, of course, the most important raw material we have today in the world. It’s a question of whether we should privatize the normal water supply for the population. And there are two different opinions on the matter. The one opinion, which I think is extreme, is represented by the NGOs, who bang on about declaring water a public right. That means that as a human being you should have a right to water. That’s an extreme solution. The other view says that water is a foodstuff like any other, and like any other foodstuff it should have a market value. Personally, I believe it’s better to give a foodstuff a value so that we’re all aware it has its price, and then that one should take specific measures for the part of the population that has no access to this water, and there are many different possibilities there.”

The Snopes article only disputes that he didn’t specifically say the words “Water is NOT a human right”, but backs up what the GP said (that he doesn’t believe it should be a human right).

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by molmalo on Friday September 27, 2019 @09:17PM (#21097718)
>He did say that he thinks the idea that bottled water is a human right is “extreme”, and that he doesn’t believe it should be.

No, he is not saying bottled water. He is saying water plain and simple. Any water.

"That means that as a human being you should have a right to water. That’s an extreme solution."

So, for him, having access to water (any water) is not a human right. If some people can not afford to pay for it, that's their problem, or the government's to find an alternative ("and then that one should take specific measures for the part of the population that has no access to this water").

And to respond to him: Yes, Human Right to water is a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_right_to_water_and_sanit...

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by GeneralTspoon on Saturday September 28, 2019 @02:50AM (#21098869)
Whoops - yeah sorry, the "bottled" in that sentence is a mistake. It was late :)

Fully agree with your comment!

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by awinder on Friday September 27, 2019 @06:05PM (#21096677)
He doesn’t think water should be a human right, he didn’t make a direct quote and the parent didn’t put anything in quotes so I don’t think there’s a problem here. A snopes “mixture” score isn’t something I’d bandy about like it’s an argument killer for sure, lol.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by Rexxar on Friday September 27, 2019 @07:40PM (#21097248)
That seems like a distinction without a difference. He basically called people who think water is a human right extremist (from your link).
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by sdfmmkmsdfmk on Saturday September 28, 2019 @01:55AM (#21098729)
It shouldn't be a human right. It doesn't make sense. TO say it is a human right would mean if somebody would build a hut in the desert, the world would have to build a water pipeline for them. That would be very ineffective.

I only know about Nestle, there often is the story about them supposedly depleting water in dry regions (I think Afghanistan or Pakistan). But if you look it up, they take the water from a very water rich region in that country.

Next time you read that Nestle story, look it up. I don't have time to Google right now.

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by nabla9 on Saturday September 28, 2019 @03:05AM (#21098914)
> TO say it is a human right would mean if somebody would build a hut in the desert,

You use the most idiotic interpretation you can imagine and then stating it as a fact. I'm sure that you are not doing this in bad faith, but your thinking is missing basic common sense that cripples you ability to understand society. Human right to water and sanitation (HRWS) is very reasonable right. It means that HRWS rules over other concerns in legal disputes and affects policy priorities.

This paper has real world legal cases and interpretations: https://www.un.org/waterforlifedecade/pdf/human_right_to_wat...

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by sdfmmkmsdfmk on Saturday September 28, 2019 @01:59PM (#21101821)
The quotation is from a movie that literally shows people living in a desert like environment, implying they should be given water. It's not my idiotic interpretation, it is what the quotation refers to.

They should move somewhere where they can get water. UN may pay for it or whatever. But to show people in some rotten place and complain that they don't get their human right to water makes no sense.

Also, the point of finding "most idiotic interpretations" is to make it obvious if something makes no sense. You are just not used to logical thinking (here, finding trivial counter examples).

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by ip26 on Friday September 27, 2019 @11:48PM (#21098302)
Well... it's good in many ways, but on the other hand my local water supply still has Cr(VI)
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by markdown on Friday September 27, 2019 @04:28PM (#21095970)
> that's often extracted from poor countries and communities.

Most bottled water came out of a local tap.

Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by djsumdog on Friday September 27, 2019 @05:44PM (#21096548)
Yep, that's true too. Most bottled water is just municipal tap water.
Re:Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in glo... by cortesoft on Friday September 27, 2019 @06:16PM (#21096742)
Unless you are in Flint...