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Re:Four Years in Startups by atomashpolskiy on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @06:29PM (#21065323)
TLDR: Founders are arrogant, self-serving assholes, spending other people's money; techies are ass-licking, ignorant avocado munchers. $$$ is being spent and harm is being done, while non-tech people struggle to make a living, but have a real life. Get out of the bubble.
Re:Four Years in Startups by noobhacker on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @08:23PM (#21066250)
This is an accurate summary of the article.

However, in my personal experience, it is not an accurate summary of the Bay Area. The startup scene may be truly this toxic, but I think such toxicity plagues any small, homogeneous group of people. It is hardly a tech problem. Indeed, mom-and-pop shop in small towns can be very abusive too.

To offer a counter anecdote, my experience with FAANG has been very positive. My workplace is the most meritocratic, efficient, and transparent organization that I've been in. (And I did spend 6 years on the East coast doing things unrelated to tech.)

I'm certain that the author's experience is true. I also want to caution against generalizing these issues to all of tech in the Bay.

Re:Four Years in Startups by undefined3840 on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @08:38PM (#21066378)
A Facebook engineer just committed suicide last week due (allegedly) to workplace bullying made possible in part by his immigration status. Something like 45 women from Google just came forward claiming they were retaliated against for bringing up sexual harassment claims to HR this week.

You can’t generalize the claim that things are different at FAANGs either.

Re:Four Years in Startups by barry-cotter on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @09:07PM (#21066554)
Don’t Facebook and Google each have over 100K employees just in their Bay Area offices? This is like FoxConn[1]. You can be doing substantially better than average and still have constant bad news by virtue of your size alone.

[1] The suicide rate among their employees was below the general population’s.

Re:Four Years in Startups by hobofan on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @05:06AM (#21069035)
> The suicide rate among their employees was below the general population’s.

Was their suicide rate lower or higher then that of employees with a similar socioeconomic status?

Re:Four Years in Startups by undefined3840 on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @09:21PM (#21066626)
No...Google has 100k employees worldwide. Facebook is something like 30k worldwide.
Re:Four Years in Startups by shuckles on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @03:20AM (#21068532)
I'm not sure how your logic works: "most meritocratic, efficient, and transparent" does not mean flawless.
Re:Four Years in Startups by danreedx86 on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @06:36PM (#21065376)
not all of us like avocados.

edit: i mean, I do.... but not everyone does.

Re:Four Years in Startups by jansan on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @01:51AM (#21068026)
Absolutely, I mean, I never met one in person, but they definitely exist out there. I'm almost sure.
Re:Four Years in Startups by zhoujianfu on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @03:06AM (#21068444)
My college roommate didn't (and still doesn't)!
Re:Four Years in Startups by rainyMammoth on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @06:56PM (#21065550)
Don't know why you are being downvoted but you your TLDR is pretty much spot on.

I would suggest to any techie who finds this not true to leave the bay area for a couple months then come back. It is amazing how entitled everyone is over here.

Re:Four Years in Startups by jypepin on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @07:01PM (#21065589)
This. I feel like the article is a little bit too negative, but I've been something pretty much similar. I moved to SF, worked for about 4 years, loved it, but then moved back to Europe and realised "oh wow, it IS a bubble".

Now I'm excited to eventually go back to the bay, but it was very valuable to take a step back, go away and think about it!

Re:Four Years in Startups by rainyMammoth on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @07:12PM (#21065684)
I'm in the exact same situation as you. Worked here for a couple years then left the bay area for a couple months in between jobs and came back.

Taking a step back allowed me to see how most people live outside of the bay area and how big our bubble is. As you I'm excited to be here but I take everything with a grain of salt.

Re:Four Years in Startups by sportanova on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:39AM (#21071798)
Everything's a bubble, and that's ok. Wouldn't want every city / region to be the same
Re:Four Years in Startups by foobiekr on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @09:41PM (#21066728)
When I leave for any length of time, what really strikes me is the entitled impatience. It's always a bit of a shock.
Re:Four Years in Startups by askafriend on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @03:17AM (#21068503)
What entitlement do you see?
Re:Four Years in Startups by whitepoplar on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @05:41AM (#21069175)
Lack of self-awareness. Attributing outcomes to merit when such things are often pseudo-randomly distributed. Lots and lots of arrogance, whether overt or subtle.
Re:Four Years in Startups by foobiekr on Friday September 27, 2019 @06:48PM (#21096978)
mistreatment of service workers is absolutely rampant in my experience
Re:Four Years in Startups by raghava on Thursday September 26, 2019 @12:31AM (#21078188)
In the current era, who are the non-tech people?

Almost everyone uses a smartphone and a computing device. I have never been able to understand this "non tech" part all too well.

One who could operate a phone and open a browser and search well is all one needs to be called 'technical' , thanks to the power of fast search and cheap Internet.