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Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by colechristensen on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @03:59PM (#21063978)
No, the price of oil will jump to 80-100/bbl and all of the tar sands extraction will become rather profitable again and North American production will explode.

OPEC had been keeping the prices around 100 until the tar sands extraction became big and they had to drastically cut prices because they couldn't handle the loss of revenue.

There is an enormous amount of oil tied up in those tar sands and it is very extricable, but it is considerably more expensive to extract such that it isn't economical at current prices.

Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by hangonhn on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @04:01PM (#21064014)
Not to mention actually very inefficient and polluting.
Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by ndarwincorn on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @04:11PM (#21064115)
Seriously. Ask some Athabascans about how extricable tar sands oil is.
Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by foobiekr on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @05:01PM (#21064578)
We are so far out over our skis in terms of the need for oil input to the agricultural sector that the overall economic system will not bat an eye at despoiling everything around it.
Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by Brakenshire on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @06:29PM (#21065326)
Oil prices going back up to $100 a barrel would drive adoption of electric cars at a much faster pace.
Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by xeromal on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @12:55AM (#21067724)
It would, but if it's anything like the last time gas was outrageously expensive, people seem to forget the high prices once they go down.

No one bought SUVs in 2008-2010, but now they're one of the most popular types of cars and ford has alltogether stopped making car models

Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by Brakenshire on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:43AM (#21069422)
Electric vehicle development has a large hysteresis, every time it’s pushed forward battery and component costs will fall, bringing new classes of vehicle below cost parity with combustion vehicles, that will only be reversed in part if the oil price returns to the same point as before.
Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by cobookman on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @07:33PM (#21065862)
Itd actually be a good thing for the environment.

The greater the cost the more conservation makes business sense.

If an efficient fridge is only 15$/month cheaper it's not replacing your current fridge. At 50$/month it quickly pays off.

Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by colechristensen on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @09:13PM (#21066587)
We have crossed over into the period where renewable energy sources and related required infrastructure is on par or cheaper than fossil fuels.

It is now just a matter of capital costs replacing old infrastructure with new while ramping up the industries that provide the replacements.

Inefficiencies scale with ramp up speed, but if you increase the cost of fossil fuels those inefficiencies are more competitive so you get a faster ramp-up.

Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by BlueTemplar on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @08:46PM (#21066411)
What is "enormous" worth in terms of years of world consumption?
Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by colechristensen on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @09:07PM (#21066560)
Enough.

Estimates generally exceed the total known amount of in-ground crude oil.

Enough to supply North America for a century.

Enough that it would never all be used, the price of extraction guarantees other renewable sources of energy will be very competitive while petroleum products will remain available near the previous peak raw petroleum prices from a few years ago (prices collapsed when production of this newer source started to ramp up).

It has been a really good foreign policy lever against Russia and unfriendly middle-east countries, limiting their oil profits and always holding over their heads that we could subsidize the shit out of it and drive them into poverty and ruin.

Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by BlueTemplar on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @01:59AM (#21068071)
Source for this ridiculous "century" claim ?

(Also, "it would never all be used" is a given, what is the expected "peak gas" date ?)

Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by mrep on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:24AM (#21071647)
I didn't look up the tar sands because it is kind of irrelevant considering the green river formation in the US alone has 3 trillion barrels worth of shale oil with half expected to be recoverable [0] and that is being extracted at current prices so no need for prices to go up. At 100 million barrels of oil usage per day for the globe, it could support the world's oil usage by itself for over 40 years. The US consumes about a fifth of global oil so that's 200 years worth of oil for you. There are also other shale oil sources in the US.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_River_Formation#Oil_shal...

Re:The Saudis Are Lying About Their Oil Production? by BlueTemplar on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @02:19PM (#21073577)
1.) gas is not shale oil (= kerogen)

2.) shale oil is NOT being extracted - you're confusing with tight oil

3.) we don't know whether extracting shale oil even makes sense - for all we know, it might never become economically and energetically viable (IMHO, considering global warming, tight oil/gas & tar sands did not make sense in the first place either - especially since the whole tight oil industry hasn't even shown to be financially and therefore probably energetically profitable !)

4.) even if we did, the (E)ROI (and therefore, the pollution involved) is likely to be dismal

5.) a century ago, world oil production was a few million barrels per day, you can't just both assume business as usual and the consumption to stay flat when taking into account future consumption...