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Re:My Talk at Microsoft by incompatible on Monday September 23, 2019 @08:25AM (#21048225)
Stallman doesn't want to run proprietary software on his computer, and that includes proprietary Javascript.
Re:My Talk at Microsoft by 5trokerac3 on Monday September 23, 2019 @08:57AM (#21048450)
This is a perfect example of how Stallman ultimately is an authoritarian. He wants all the freedom to do what he wants, but has no problem with his "free software" vision limiting the rights of others.

As someone else pointed out, "what about proprietary HTML and CSS?"

Stallman has no ability to recognize the need for others to protect their own work, he only wants his free access to the fruits of others' labor.

Don't want to run proprietary JavaScript? Then bite the f'ing bullet and don't visit websites that have it. Don't expect everyone else to conform to your wants.

Re:My Talk at Microsoft by simion314 on Monday September 23, 2019 @09:09AM (#21048557)
He is not forcing his views on you, don't like him don't read what he writes.

If you want to have a discussion about freedom then let's do it in a rigorous way, go read the GNU page, read about the 4 freedoms then get back and explain your point more clearly.

His point is that proprietary software is bad and you should now write it and not use it, I agree with him and I still run some proprietary blobs, I do not feel forced to do anything or feel shamed.

Re:My Talk at Microsoft by EpicEng on Monday September 23, 2019 @02:08PM (#21051674)
>He is not forcing his views on you, don't like him don't read what he writes.

His job is (was) convincing others that he is right. He's trying to influence people's thoughts and actions. I think a critique of how he goes about that is warranted. Of course we can look the other way, but obviously that doesn't work to the benefit of his goals.

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Re:My Talk at Microsoft by simion314 on Monday September 23, 2019 @09:27AM (#21048700)
We were talking about software and philosophy, if you attack the person and not the ideas I think you are lacking arguments.

About what he said, I did not see him saying rape is Ok,

Anyway I would love to see your reaction if say you watch a porn video and later will surface that the actor was 17 years old, then all the press will say that you are watching child porn, you are assumed guilty and get fired and never find a job.

Your friends that would try to say that maybe we should get all the facts get also fired because "he is a child porn apologist".

Just think about it, in fact I don't wish this to happen to anybody, I read about a case where a guy was accused and he was innocent, he lost his job and was forcefully separated from his children, my point is go easy with the accusations you won't like it to happen to you.

Re:My Talk at Microsoft by celticmusic on Monday September 23, 2019 @09:47AM (#21048885)
> Anyway I would love to see your reaction if say you watch a porn video and later will surface that the actor was 17 years old, then all the press will say that you are watching child porn, you are assumed guilty and get fired and never find a job.

I have this recollection of something like that actually happening. IIRC, a man was on trial for watching child porn because they believed the actress was underage. The actress herself had to literally show up in court with identification to prove that she was not underage at the time the film was made.

The fact that she had to do that should scare everyone.

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Re:My Talk at Microsoft by celticmusic on Monday September 23, 2019 @09:48AM (#21048891)
minsky refused to have sex with the girl, there's an eye witness corroborating it.

The very least you can do is get your facts straight.

Re:My Talk at Microsoft by pawelmurias on Monday September 23, 2019 @10:35AM (#21049271)
Stallman did his best to convince everyone he was guilty.
Re:My Talk at Microsoft by kuu on Monday September 23, 2019 @08:36AM (#21048299)
What about proprietary HTML ? CSS ?
Re:My Talk at Microsoft by Sacho on Monday September 23, 2019 @10:15AM (#21049121)
Quote from https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html

> It is theoretically possible to program in HTML and CSS, but in practice this capability is limited and inconvenient; merely to make it do something is an impressive hack. Such programs ought to be free, but CSS is not a serious problem for users' freedom as of 2019.

Re:My Talk at Microsoft by badpun on Monday September 23, 2019 @09:50AM (#21048905)
HTML and CSS are content, not software (they're not executables) - they're like DOC or PDF.
Re:My Talk at Microsoft by PyroLagus on Monday September 23, 2019 @10:00AM (#21048991)
> HTML and CSS are content, not software (they're not executables) - they're like DOC or PDF.

Well… https://keithclark.co.uk/labs/css-fps/

You could also argue that DOCs and PDFs are software.

Re:My Talk at Microsoft by beatgammit on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:14PM (#21050987)
No, DOCs and PDFs aren't necessarily software, they can contain software, just like a webpage. And just like a webpage, Stallman can choose to use FOSS to view those files, and that software can choose to not run any scripts in those files.

I'm sure he'd agree that people should also not include proprietary software in those files as well, but doing so is far less common than webpages, at least for stuff the average user is going to run into.

And how many people are actually programming in HTML/CSS vs JavaScript? A proof of concept is one thing, but most users won't run into it.