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Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by buro9 on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:30PM (#21042212)
I run 300 forums, and I had a startup for them. The lofty goal of the startup was to "cure loneliness" but I never told the users that.

My path to doing this was to encourage interest based communication, in a way that would allow them to take it offline. How? Well to make it interest + geography, i.e. horology nerds in Cumbria, cyclists in London, petrol heads in Cornwall, audiophiles in Suffolk.

By binding together an interest, and a geography, it naturally encourages trade, showing off, having a beer... and coming together. But not in a way that ever was to "cure loneliness" (which few people admit to feeling, and frankly most people find lonely people unattractive people from the perspective of wishing to hang out with someone like that).

By providing a space to share a passion, the forums brought people together.

I had to make our own software to achieve this, i.e. a forum with events built-in by default, etc. But it worked.

Except I couldn't get it funded beyond the crowd-funded angel round :shrug . But still, 250k monthly users, hundreds of marriages, tens of thousands of friendships, and still people meeting weekly for beer and chatting with others.

And like all love, when the lust is gone what remains is something special... these forums are evolving now, from the original interests, into just a group of friends for life.

If I were lonely today, I would say... identify a hobby or interest you could get into, start looking for entry things to dive in, and then look for groups on MeetUp, or forums online, that will help you find other people.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by lolinder on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:59PM (#21042405)
This is awesome. I've long felt a nostalgia for the close-knit forums I participated in as a kid. One was a worldwide group centered around an online game (CyberNations), the other was just a group of kids with similar interests in one metro area who met up occasionally. Both were vital for me in coping with feeling like I didn't fit in at all at school.

It's great to see that that kind of close, friendly, personal Internet dynamic didn't completely die with Facebook's rise.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by lonelappde on Sunday September 22, 2019 @06:46PM (#21044472)
Facebook has its sins but is this really one of them? Facebook supports small, controlled, geographically focused groups.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by lolinder on Sunday September 22, 2019 @08:58PM (#21045122)
Supports maybe, but doesn't encourage or promote them. The money is in the endless news feed from your 300+ acquaintances, not in quiet, thoughtful conversation between a group of close friends.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by fragmede on Sunday September 22, 2019 @11:45PM (#21045769)
Of course it can't promote them. All of the best groups are secret, and with good reason. They are spread via word of mouth which allows group admins to vet new users. Facebook even added a flow to support a "before you join, submit your answers these questions" workflow.

Maybe that's not where the money is, but these private groups are so sticky that I don't currently see any alternative. People already know how to use Facebook, they don't know how to use Discord or Slack.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by greggman2 on Sunday September 22, 2019 @11:55PM (#21045803)
I found it's trivally easy to "unfollow" 280 of those 300+ acquaintances and suddenly my newsfeed isn't so bad
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by woah on Monday September 23, 2019 @02:44PM (#21052123)
Facebook has currently bought out the entire advertising space of one of the downtown SF subway stations with ads for their groups product. Seems like they are trying to promote it.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by RoddaWallPro on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:58PM (#21042795)
I also played CyberNations as a kid and found social solace there. Did you ever play a similar game called LunarWars?
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by chrisco255 on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:42PM (#21042296)
When I was an awkward teenager with no social skills, one of the places I found a social ingroup was on a video game forum on AOL. Roughly the same group of mostly teenage boys posted to this forum for 2-3 years before we all gradually moved off AOL. But we would later reconnect through Facebook and I still consider these guys good friends of mine even though I've maybe only met 2 of them in person.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by ben_jones on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:36PM (#21042250)
I feel like it would be appropriate to share some of these forums in this thread, I think the immediate need outweighs anyone calling it out as self-promotion.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by buro9 on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:50PM (#21042343)
Not all of them are applicable, the platform has also been used for forums that connect old-age pensioners homes (it's easy to use), and support networks for victims of domestic sexual and violent abuse in South London.

However the largest example is the London cyclist one https://www.lfgss.com . I started with cycling and the plan was to saturate one sport/recreational interest before branching out. So I run a lot of the cycle forums in the UK, from the Rapha one, through to Islington http://forum.islington.cc/ , Brixton https://forum.brixtoncycles.cc/ tiny clubs like Grupetto https://csgrupetto.microco.sm/

One of the newest is a sustainability forum for a group with a core around Cambridge but spread over the UK https://onething.is/

Some of the forums are private, and I'm fine with that as they can permission it the way they want and pull members from elsewhere as they see fit, i.e. the petrolheads in Cornwall.

Each forum is like a startup itself, they all have to find their first 10 users, then to get to 100 users, and to be aware of the 1% rule of internet culture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)

But I help nurture and guide, and show them how to do it.

Without funding I've slowed everything down though. It's funded by donations from users across sites today, but expansion risks cost cliffs as I'm just below the threshold for a few services I would need to pay for (auth0 free tier) and don't have time to engineer my way out. With neither time or money spare, it's stagnated.

But if someone wants a startup idea... this does work. Not wildly profitable, but it works.

How did it make money? I'd barely scratched the surface, but conversation around interest contains a lot of intent to purchase, and there are classifieds and meetups. So it's affiliates, a challenge against eBay (people into an interest have emotional attachment to the items and would rather sell to others into the interest), and ticketing for events, etc. And because it's all a platform, one instance, the traditional highs costs associated with running a forum were avoided. Lower costs, and actual revenues :)

I love what I do for work now, but I still believe this was an idea that is good for society.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by ben_jones on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:19PM (#21042542)
Any plans to open source / open core this software? I've always been interested in forum software (my first real web project was a Reddit clone in Flask and the complexities and edgecases abound - moderation tools, rate limiting, scaling write-load, finding the minimum front-end that doesn't make users puke).
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by buro9 on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:26PM (#21042592)
It is all open source.

The only thing that isn't is the very old puppet script that managed the deploy as it was rather bespoke for our setup.

To my own regret I focused far too much on making it an effective platform rather than an easy install, so that bit might feel gnarly but at least the errors are sane and guide you.

The Go API and PostgreSQL schemas: https://github.com/microcosm-cc/microcosm

The Django frontend (the client is nothing but a thin client over the API) https://github.com/microcosm-cc/microweb

The Bootstrap derived theme for the Django fronted https://github.com/microcosm-cc/microweb-bootstrap

And then other miscellaneous things:

The Go HTML sanitizer for user generated content https://github.com/microcosm-cc/bluemonday

Our legal policies for forums on this platform (expensive to produce, but perfectly fitting a forum platform with minimal exposure for the platform owner/admin and minimal but some liability for a forum owner) https://github.com/microcosm-cc/legal

There is also a newer thing, I was (/am?) intending to replace the Django layer with a Go frontend and templating, and then moving the API into this, such that the forum could become a single binary install and thus gain a new lease of life: https://github.com/buro9/microcosm . Once in a while I chip away on that.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by pram on Sunday September 22, 2019 @06:39PM (#21044435)
Just wanted to say that your microcosm code was a huge inspiration/invaluable reference when I was learning go and developing my own forum like thing. Thanks!
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by lonelappde on Sunday September 22, 2019 @06:48PM (#21044482)
What's the pitch to use this over Facebook or Reddit for hosting a forum?
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by AndrewKemendo on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:44PM (#21042312)
It's in his profile:

https://www.lfgss.com/

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by NicoJuicy on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:12PM (#21042489)
In Belgium, start cycling. There are groups everywhere, where a lot of friends meet.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by Insanity on Sunday September 22, 2019 @03:05PM (#21043213)
And running groups as well!
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by jacquesm on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:48PM (#21042738)
Is it still active? Pity you could not get funded but then again, good things rarely come in the guise of fundable businesses. Kudos for doing this.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by buro9 on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:52PM (#21042767)
Platform is still active, the 250k monthly uniques is the current number.

But I haven't been able to do much other than keep it in maintenance mode for the last 4 years. I've let other forums be created and expanded it, but haven't had time to address it's flaws and improve it.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by garmaine on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:04PM (#21042425)
Just FYI, “have no close friend” and “loneliness” aren’t the same thing. I have no close friends, and I prefer it. Don’t try to “cure” people like me.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by hombre_fatal on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:33PM (#21042625)
Someone wrote this and had deleted their comment when I went to reply to them, but I thought it was on point, so now I'm saying it:

Curious, why you took offense to OPs post? If you are enjoying not having close friends, then good for you, really. This thread doesn't apply to you.

You remind me of Ricky Gervais' Guitar Lessons bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3dxMGzt5mU

In summary, it's like calling up a guitar teacher and telling them you don't want to learn guitar. Why call?

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by garmaine on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:39PM (#21042666)
I didn’t take offense. Did it read that way?

He is on a self-professed quest to cure loneliness, and seems to equate that with not having close friendships. I just want to make sure he is aware there is a distinction and not everyone classifies that way.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by omginternets on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:58PM (#21042803)
>He is on a self-professed quest to cure loneliness

It seemed to me that he was on a quest to cure his loneliness.

Point is: It's interesting (perhaps even revealing) that you read it differently.

If it's not a problem, then it's not a problem. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by garmaine on Sunday September 22, 2019 @02:37PM (#21043057)
If so, I misread it. But going back I still can't see that interpretation.

> The lofty goal of the startup was to "cure loneliness" but I never told the users that.

And then he talks about building features for users to take their conversations offline. I mean maybe it was all for himself, but it seems like the goal was to get users to build long-lasting relationships.

Which is commendable, and I commend him for it. It sounds like an awesome project.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by jackbravo on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @07:00PM (#21065583)
With his ending I also implied it was to cure his loneliness:

> If I were lonely today, I would say...

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by lonelappde on Sunday September 22, 2019 @06:50PM (#21044489)
There's probably a correlation between being happy with no close friends and being misanthropic in general.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by buro9 on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:07PM (#21042454)
It's OK, you're safe. I never used those words, and given that it requires some effort on your part nothing will happen unless you want it to.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by DoofusOfDeath on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:19PM (#21042547)
Has this been a problem in the past?

From your phrasing, it sounds like a pet peeve.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by jhayward on Sunday September 22, 2019 @03:20PM (#21043311)
Introverts are often harassed with "why are you so quiet?" and "why don't you <do activity xyz>?" questions that seem innocent, but are actually attacks by people who are unable to let them be themselves.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by Doubl on Sunday September 22, 2019 @05:36PM (#21044109)
The well meaning extrovert person who introduces you to someone by saying, this is x, he's really shy. Anyone had that, ever? They might as well dig a hole for you.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by dwaltrip on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:07PM (#21042453)
Why do you prefer it?
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by garmaine on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:43PM (#21042701)
I’m an introvert. People drain me. I find fulfillment in the world around me and my hobbies. I’m on HN not to be social but to learn things. I don’t need validation from others.

I don’t hate human interaction either. I have friends. I just don’t NEED them, and don’t need to go seeking them or be especially close.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by lonelappde on Sunday September 22, 2019 @06:52PM (#21044499)
I'm curious if you will retain this preference as you get older and physical frailty starts to appear in your life, or you lose your source of income.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by jliptzin on Sunday September 22, 2019 @10:10PM (#21045410)
Has nothing to do with it. I am like him. People drain me whether I'm young or old, rich or poor.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by dwaltrip on Sunday September 22, 2019 @07:49PM (#21044776)
Thanks for sharing.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by crimsonalucard on Sunday September 22, 2019 @10:25PM (#21045483)
I would say you're the biological anomaly. Humans are social creatures. Much or our society is defined by our achievements as a group then individually. I would say the op very accurately describes a general problem.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by AstralStorm on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:25AM (#21046156)
Calling north of 16% of world population an anomaly stinks of racism.

Most people are not extroverts either, but extroverts in western culture get a pat on the back and a raise. Not as much elsewhere.

It's not a binary variable, but a spectrum.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by crimsonalucard on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:43AM (#21046220)
Calling me a racist stinks of accusatory witch hunting. You can lose a job for this kind of thing and you dare to call me that? You don't go around accusing people people of smelling like a nazi yet you can go around saying that I smell like a racist?

Let me be utterly clear with you. I am not racist. Not one bone of my body is. And it is an extreme and personal insult to suggest that I am. There will be no further communication between us.

You second paragraph seems to continue onto an informed discussion that's not going to continue because of the immature comment in your first sentence.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by stagas on Monday September 23, 2019 @02:26AM (#21046414)
You go around calling people biological anomalies and you're pretending to be the victim in this situation? Jeez.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by crimsonalucard on Monday September 23, 2019 @12:18PM (#21050326)
i can wiggle my ears at will... most of the population can't... thats a biological anomaly.

This is an entirely different thing then Racism. Know the difference. Let's not let political correctness erase our ability to state things we believe to be biological facts.

If I were to say that you are an inferior race because you can or can't wiggle your ears and therefore must have inferior treatment.... THAT is racism. But the fact that I can wiggle my ears... well there's no denying that this ability is anomalous as I am simply describing a feature of reality as we know it..

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by Hermandw on Monday September 23, 2019 @02:43AM (#21046463)
Unfortunately most people don't realize or understand that almost all the variables of being human lies on a spectrum. This includes length, weight, body type, colour, gender, sexuality, gregariousness, aptitudes, interests, intelligence, etc. Calling someone an anomaly for falling on one end of any of these traits is definitely ignorance and discrimination akin to racism.
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by crimsonalucard on Monday September 23, 2019 @12:40PM (#21050595)
Uh no it is not. I can wiggle my ears and I'm double jointed. That makes me and those features a biological anomaly because these feature are rare. There is no racism going on here because I am a statistical anomaly.

Let me be utterly clear again. In the real world, in reality as we know it. There will ALWAYS exist things that are outside of the norm. Things that are "anomalous." To deny the existence of anomalies, or to deny the existence of REALITY is WRONG. This is not racism. To let political correctness control your dialogue and beliefs is as ignorant as letting religion do the same.

You are making two grave errors in your interpretation of reality.

First, what part of nature says EVERYTHING human must be a spectrum? There is no hard rule about this AT all. Things can have binary states, trinary states OR CAN exist in a spectrum. For example. I have a penis. Many people do not. That is binary. Perhaps a hermaphrodite lives on a spectrum but the scientific reality is, that the hermaphrodite is so few in number that it is in actuality a statistical anomaly. Lets get even deeper. Your DNA has 2 types of chromosomes. An X and a Y chromosome. There is no W chromosome and therefore these two chromosomes are binary DO NOT exist in a SPECTRUM. Get it?

Second, you don't even know what a "spectrum" really is. Even in a "spectrum" there can be anomalies. If you know about statistics you'd know that spectrums are usually bell curves: A hump in the middle with two tails on both sides.... The hump in the middle of the bell curve is the most populous and most "normal" part of the spectrum and the tail ends are the most rare and therefore "anomalous."

What disgust me is the twisting of words by people who are ignorant. There is NOTHING wrong with being anomalous... an anomaly is neither wrong or right it is just a word that illustrates rarity. A person with an IQ of 342 is an anomaly on the tail tail end of the bell curve and while it is an anomaly there is nothing wrong with being crazy smart.

This accusatory BS of calling me a racist is disgusting and vile and gravely serious. You better take back your statements, what your saying is not trivial or true and is a deeply personal insult. My ancestors were asian americans and victims of white supremacy and racism. If you're white and calling me racist well...

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by dwaltrip on Monday September 23, 2019 @04:08PM (#21053035)
Dude, it is really unhealthy to get this angry at an anonymous stranger on the internet. I have definitely become overly invested in internet conversations before and suffered needlessly because of it, so I can relate. I wish you the best.

P.S. Most people don't want to be called an "anomoly". It sounds quite negative. I know you didn't mean it that way, but that is how other people interpret it.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by crimsonalucard on Monday September 23, 2019 @11:11PM (#21056137)
>P.S. Most people don't want to be called an "anomoly". It sounds quite negative. I know you didn't mean it that way, but that is how other people interpret it.

Ok maybe I made mistake here. But the reaction to my mistake is that they decided to call me a racist. The difference here is that although I did not mean to convey what you implied... @AstralStorm and @Hermandw meant what they said 110%.

They accused me of being racist.

There is no one more guilty of racism against my race then the white man. So unless any of you are not white... back off.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by Smithalicious on Monday September 23, 2019 @02:56AM (#21046523)
Introverts are a race?
Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by rimliu on Monday September 23, 2019 @08:11AM (#21048115)
And I would say you are the victim of pro-extravert brainwashing. The most shocking thing I've learned from the book "Quiet" that there was an general attitude towards intrawerts that they are somehow deficient, and, what's worse, actual discrimination against them at universities.

Being introvert does not mean you are antisocial, you just don't need to socialize that much. It may be very enjoyable but it is also so draining.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by crimsonalucard on Monday September 23, 2019 @12:25PM (#21050412)
There's no brainwashing going on. I myself am an introvert. I'm not discriminating. However despite being an introvert, i still do desire to interact with other people.

There is a social aspect to my and human nature that cannot be denied.

One example: 99% of introverts want to have sex with the opposite gender and interact with them despite your introversion. A good number also want to have kids and interact with those kids. You may value your "recharge" time but despite this most introverts also seek to socialize and interact with other people. It's a conflicting desire, but to be human is to be social, you cannot deny biology.

Look at the way humans live. We live in cities, towns or tribes. A very very small amount of us live in isolation outside of towns, tribes and cities. I would argue that most introverts live in a community and are unwilling to go far enough to live in total isolation. We are animals that live in groups. We are herd animals. My guess is that introversion stems from defensive instincts designed to deal with creatures outside of the herd.

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by azdacha on Monday September 23, 2019 @07:18AM (#21047770)
That's what I call success ;

Thanks a lot

Re:Almost one in five men admits to having no close friends,... by abledon on Sunday September 22, 2019 @05:36PM (#21044108)
lol, not sure if your intention was naming LFGSS to be eerily similar to the acronym "LFG" which means Looking For Group