Almost every nation, developed or not, has some kind of spy program. It's a basic requirement for national defense.

Yes, and the US then takes it way way beyond that, just like everything military they do.

If you think the US "takes it way way beyond that", then you need to do some serious homework on China and Russia.

EDIT: Since people don't seem to believe me. Just look at this [1] NPR article from this morning, which quotes: "The Chinese, are our No. 1 intelligence threat."

[1] https://www.npr.org/2019/09/19/761962531/people-are-looking-...

No, whatever China and Russia do doesn't change the fact that the US goes way further than "a basic requirement for national defense."

You don't win wars by fulfilling only the "basic requirements". I would agree with you if there was more stability and harmony between nations but that is not the reality today.

Almost no other nations have as much to spend as much on it as we do.

Spend is irrelevant. Intent is key. By the way, China and Russia have shown their (immense) capacity in spying. Given their human rights track record and intent to slowly undercut the US and rest of the Democratic world, don't you think that the US needs adequate funding in counter-intelligence?

EDIT: Since people don't seem to believe me, just look at this [1] NPR article from this morning, which quotes: "The Chinese, are our No. 1 intelligence threat."

[1] https://www.npr.org/2019/09/19/761962531/people-are-looking-...

That China can censor porn and political unrest on Huawei since the paragons of freedom just torture and jail entire populations with a smile.

What country do you buy your phone from ? Censoring China, waterboarding US, genocidal Israel, negationist Japan ?

just my two cents, nothing bad in censoring porn- it's litterally everywhere and should be confined. political unrest? i don't really care. the rest of what you wrote is plain crazy mind just spill his dirty thoughts and opinions. conclusion- some ppl should keep things to themself.

Are you trying to imply China's disregard for human rights is on the same level as USA and Japan?

>Israel is also imprisoning a population of about 2 million in Gaza.

Nor Huawei or Google or Apple are from Israel, and the discussion is about a product launched by Huawei, a Chinese company with deep ties with China's Communist Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Detention is not genocide. Stop trivializing the use of the word genocide.

Where are all these spare kidneys coming from then?

Why do you think they jail Uighur and not Akha ?

A lot of judgement on a semantic that is generally accepted to be the exact opposite of what you are declaring. First given the context of the root of the word "cide", patricide, regicide, matricide, a majority of people still believe that the word predicates physical/biological harm in the form of death. If you want to expand the definition, fine but it isn't truth or the majority. If anything you should find a better word.

It was created by the UN which represents just about every country on earth, and which 150 countries have signed. And it dates back to 1949, so even if it was an expansion then, it is by no means one now, nearly a century later.

This should not be downvoted, dx87 is correct. "Genocide" means "the killing of a people", where that group can be ethnic, religious, national, or something else. Mass murder is one way to achieve genocide, but it is not the only way: exterminating a group identity through detention, mass sterilization, forced re-education, etc. are all also genocide.

Would you please enlighten us and name one (1) country that does not spy on its citizens (with some amount of evidence please)?

The difference is that intelligence gathering after obtaining a subpoena is an acceptable practice. The heat that the US was under was for their mass surveillance of its own population.

Don't forget https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/21/business/us-snooping-on-c...

UK, South Africa recently both acknowledged that they do bulk collection too.

https://privacyinternational.org/long-read/3164/two-states-a...

The US got there first, but it seems other countries have been rapidly catching up.

I guess the point parent comment making is spying on the world (including allies)