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Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by delfinom on Thursday September 19, 2019 @12:10PM (#21017602)
Unfortunately, alot early reviewers have perverse incentive to give good reviews to continue receiving early units and getting that as revenue first.
Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by CobrastanJorji on Thursday September 19, 2019 @03:16PM (#21019605)
Sure, and respected camera review websites like DPReview get the majority of their revenue through people clicking through their site to purchase cameras. Is it a conflict of interest? Oh hell yes, and you should keep it in mind. Does it make the review wrong? Well...probably not, but keep it in mind.
Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by jankyxenon on Thursday September 19, 2019 @12:39PM (#21017906)
I think Apple has plenty of incentive not to yank reviewable units from people who've gotten them early in the past, when/if they get a bad review.

Taints the whole point of doing reviews.

Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by lern_too_spel on Thursday September 19, 2019 @01:27PM (#21018456)
> Taints the whole point of doing reviews.

It certainly does, which is why you can never trust an early review of an Apple product. https://www.cultofmac.com/255618/how-apples-blacklist-manipu...

Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by dpark on Thursday September 19, 2019 @05:04PM (#21020752)
Okay but there’s no concrete examples there. There’s a bunch of broad claims that Apple will blacklist journalists for X, Y, and Z but no names or evidence that it’s actually happening.

I can believe that Apple might do this (especially since he also cites openly breaking rules by doing things like live-streaming when it’s been explicitly forbidden) but this article doesn’t convince me it’s happening or educate me on how much of a problem it really is.

Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by lern_too_spel on Friday September 20, 2019 @01:30AM (#21023551)
The article links to a few concrete examples. You'll have to use the Wayback Machine to access them.
Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by dpark on Friday September 20, 2019 @10:55AM (#21027365)
No it doesn’t. It contains a link to an article about supposed “whitelisting” and one about supposedly giving WaPo and exclusive interview in retaliation to the NYT’s critical reporting. These are both the exact opposite of the blacklisting the article asserts exists. Then it links to an article about blacklisting but dismissed it as inaccurate. So there’s nothing linked about actual blacklisting examples by Apple unless I’ve missed something. Elgan doesn’t even say why he is blacklisted.
Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by lern_too_spel on Saturday September 21, 2019 @03:06PM (#21037243)
This article is about somebody who got a loaner, which means they are specifically whitelisted as my article's link says, which means that they are uncritical of Apple products. I don't know why you are hung up on blacklisting specifically as I have not mentioned that, only that prelaunch reviews of Apple products are not credible.
Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by dpark on Saturday September 21, 2019 @10:01PM (#21039163)
Because this comment chain, including your original reply, was about blacklisting critical reviewers.

Also because the article you linked is about blacklisting.

Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by lern_too_spel on Sunday September 22, 2019 @11:46AM (#21041884)
It is also about whitelisting, which is the relevant section for this review ("an early review of an Apple product"). I never mentioned the term "blacklisting" until you brought it up.

Now that we have that out of the way, do you agree that early reviews of Apple products can only be done by reviewers that Apple considers favorable?

Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by scarface74 on Friday September 20, 2019 @07:14AM (#21025318)
The article is extremely weak and then tried to explain way why some publications who say negative things don’t get blacklisted.
Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by toasterlovin on Thursday September 19, 2019 @12:46PM (#21017982)
That doesn't make their reviews advertisements.
Re:iPhone 11 Pro Camera Review by dominotw on Thursday September 19, 2019 @06:00PM (#21021149)
why would ppl keep trusting them if they keep writing bogus positive reviews.