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Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by JPKab on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @10:18PM (#21001927)
An excellent book on this topic from about 10 years ago: Born to Run
Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by starpilot on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @01:05AM (#21002504)
I've inferred the entire contents of the book from the plethora of HN comments discussing it.
Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by SmellyGeekBoy on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @09:08AM (#21004983)
This was my opinion too until I read it. Definitely well worth a read if you're at all interested in running, fitness and human evolution. The autobiographical story parts are great reading, too.
Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by davidw on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @09:37AM (#21005262)
I don't care at all for running (I'm a bike guy), but it's still a fun read.
Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by SmellyGeekBoy on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @10:00AM (#21005492)
It's a really fascinating story on top of all of the running stuff.
Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by dfc on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @06:39AM (#21003889)
FWIW I doubt it. This has nothing to do with you and everything to do eith the book. It's a great book and the comments I have seen here only hit on a few central points of the book.
Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by SEJeff on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @10:10AM (#21005604)
It is a fantastic story, even if you don't care about running. I was shocked that it wasn't a documentary format so much as a very raw and emotional first person account.
Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by signa11 on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @08:54AM (#21004837)
reading by proxy (by couple of orders of magnitude) is no substitute for the real thing. you probably would be better off reading top reviews on amazon :) or even the blinkist app for that matter. but then again, ‘reading someones description of sistine chapel michelangelo paintings vs seeing it yourself’ and all that...

edit: minor details

Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by igouy on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @12:43PM (#21007159)
One side of "Born to Run" is the first-person story; another side is gonzo journalism / supposedly factual reporting.

How well does the reporting fact-check?

From "Born to Run":

"But what surprised Dr. Marti … was the fact that the most common variable among the casualties wasn't training surface, running speed, weekly mileage, or "competitive training motivation." It wasn't even body weight, or a history of previous injury: it was the price of the shoe." page 172

From Dr Marti's report:

"Occurrence of jogging injuries was independently associated with higher weekly mileage (P < 0.001), history of previous running injuries (P < 0.001), and competitive training motivation (P = 0.03)."

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/036354658801600316

Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by lemm on Friday September 20, 2019 @12:57PM (#21028836)
Furthermore:

"Injuries were not significantly related to race running speed, training surface, characteristics of running shoes, or relative weight."

Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by igouy on Friday September 20, 2019 @06:44PM (#21032059)
Indeed.

Perhaps, somewhere, Dr. Marti did in-fact express surprise about "the most common variable" — whatever that means.

However, at-best Christopher McDougall seems to have chosen not to report conclusions that could have helped some runners avoid injury.

Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by igouy on Friday November 18, 2022 @12:57PM (#33658794)
fyi I found another primary source:

Marti, B. (1989). "Relationships between Running Injuries and Running Shoes — Results of a Study of 5,000 Participants of a 16-km Run — The May 1984 Berne Grand Prix". In Segesser, B.; Pförringer, W. (eds.). The Shoe in Sport. pp. 256–265.

https://archive.org/details/shoeinsport0000unse_r2y3/page/25...

In the 1984 Bern 16 km race questionnaire, runners who had no shoe brand preference and presumably changed brands frequently had significantly fewer running injuries. There was also some correlation between higher shoe price and increased injury. "It is probably incorrect, however, to interpret this surprising finding to mean that more expensive shoes cause more running injuries…". That group was 1 1⁄2 minutes slower than expected from their training and had a higher proportion of orthotics use. It may well be that runners with existing injuries hope that expensive shoes will fix their body.

Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by pferde on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @09:17AM (#21005062)
Also an interesting TED talk by the author: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-iGZPtWXzE
Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by tcmb on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @04:00PM (#21009422)
...and two talks at "Authors at Google" (apparently he spoke there twice within one week):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_usxrvKvus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXRe0N1hejE

Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by gherkinnn on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @11:15AM (#21006267)
I only got past the first 1/3 of the book.

Extended use of the noble savage trope mixed with iconoclastic views on brands like Nike might make the reader feel like they’ve entered a fresh new world. And yet I found zero value for someone who wants to improve his capacity as a runner/athlete.

The author is a good storyteller but that’s where it ends.

If one is interested in tearing down current sporty world views, might I suggest going after the HIT fad?

Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by igouy on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @12:57PM (#21007329)
> … someone who wants to improve his capacity as a runner/athlete…

"Running Rewired: Reinvent Your Run for Stability, Strength, and Speed"

https://books.google.com/books?id=epZUDwAAQBAJ

Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by Retric on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @11:37AM (#21006482)
Did you mean HIIT? Because that’s well supported by numerous studies and is unlikely to go away. The tradeoffs seem to be reduced weight loss for improved cardiovascular fitness.
Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by gherkinnn on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @11:48AM (#21006602)
HIIT, yes.

To clarify: I mean specifically the over-emphasis on intensity by amateurs for competitions longer than a few minutes.

Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by Retric on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @01:05PM (#21007422)
Fair enough, various forms of interval training have been commonly used to condition for endurance sports all the way back to the 1950’s. It’s all about building aerobic capacity via anaerobic exercise.

But, the current spike is probably going to go away.

Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by dfc on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @06:42AM (#21003900)
If you like Born to Run you should check out Natural Born Heroes if you have not already read it. It's sort of the WW2 variant of Born to Run.
Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by otroqueccorre on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @04:59AM (#21003464)
I heard about it, is it good book?
Re:Endurance Running Hypothesis by 2wrist on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @05:58AM (#21003700)
A really good read, quite interesting ideas and it certainly changed my outlook on running and movement.