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Re:The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving by dpark on Friday September 13, 2019 @03:15PM (#20965377)
> This is only true in the first up to 6 months of a calorie-restriction diet. Then, body adjusts its metabolism (lower body temperature, making you feel more lethargic to keep you from exercising, etc) and your weight begins to slowly climb back up, sans any further calorie restriction. At this point, it's easy for a dieter to blame himself of lacking willpower: "it worked, and it stopped working now, I must've been not strict enough!".

> The same thing happens if you force someone to overeat even if they're not hungry. They will gain weight -- for up to 6 months. Then, the body increases its base metabolic rate and adjusts to the new food intake level.

This is pseudoscientific garbage. There is some amount of adaptation that the body experiences in response to a caloric deficit or surplus. It varies by person but is generally not a major effect. A few hundred calories is typical and is largely attributable to changes in NEAT.

This is also not an unbounded effect. It won’t prevent continued weight loss if the starting deficit is greater than the adaptation nor will it prevent continued weight gain if the surplus exceeds the adaptation. The many obese people in the world are proof that the “natural set point” does not place a cap on weight gain.

There is also definitely nothing magic that happens at the 6 month mark and the absurdity of this should be enough to make it clear that this is garbage.

Re:The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving by vinceguidry on Friday September 13, 2019 @04:14PM (#20966030)
> This is pseudoscientific garbage.

This seems unnecessary. The rest of your comment does not support this assertion. And it's inflammatory, which is contrary to the HN guidelines.

To this point:

> There is also definitely nothing magic that happens at the 6 month mark and the absurdity of this should be enough to make it clear that this is garbage.

There doesn't have to be anything magical. I would have to read the book to be sure, but pretty sure 6 months describes the general point at which the continuous process fades into noise. Nothing about the body has an on/off switch, but that doesn't mean we can't describe biological processes in general terms.

Re:The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving by dpark on Friday September 13, 2019 @06:13PM (#20967176)
Perhaps it was unnecessary. The rest of my absolutely supports it, though. The claim is that within 6 months the body will adapt to a change in caloric intake, completely canceling it out. Indeed, the claim is that the body will adapt so well that it will begin gaining weight from the same caloric intake that was previously a weight-loss-inducing deficit. This is utterly untrue. Not just an incomplete picture or misleading, but an utter falsehood.
Re:The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving by vinceguidry on Friday September 13, 2019 @06:21PM (#20967252)
> This is utterly untrue. Not just an incomplete picture or misleading, but an utter falsehood.

Would you be so kind as to elaborate? You are literally stating that something is 'utterly untrue' without supporting rationale. I'm not expecting you to do a peer-reviewed study. Just to explain why you feel this way.

Re:The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving by dpark on Friday September 13, 2019 @06:45PM (#20967420)
Because there’s absolutely no scientific evidence for this claim. Please share any evidence you have for the claim that a human body will “adapt” to a caloric deficit so well that it will regain the lost weight without calories increasing again.

The statement is essentially that calories consumed are unrelated to weight gain and loss except in the short term after which the body will return to its normal weight no matter what you do. This simply doesn’t make any sense. If this were true people couldn’t starve to death and obesity wouldn’t be a thing. And also the conservation of mass would not be an actual physical law.

Re:The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving by vinceguidry on Friday September 13, 2019 @07:58PM (#20967873)
The author claimed this was legitimate science, in which case there will be references in the book.

I am avoiding the normal urge to go out and buy the book to verify and share the references to you. But it is something you could easily verify and find for yourself.

Re:The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving by dpark on Friday September 13, 2019 @10:38PM (#20968594)
Then it should be easy for the thread originator to provide a citation. I’m not willing to buy the book to look for citations I don’t expect to be there. My bet is that the book doesn’t really say what was presented and that it gives a rather more reserved statement about metabolic adaptation.
Re:The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving by vinceguidry on Friday September 13, 2019 @11:51PM (#20968817)
Thank you for elaborating.
Re:The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving by cco on Friday September 13, 2019 @04:37PM (#20966258)
>It varies by person but is generally not a major effect. A few hundred calories is typical and is largely attributable to changes in NEAT.

A few hundred calories is ~10-16% of the daily necessary caloric intake of many people, I daresay most? It is most certainly a major effect and considering that people become obese most often by consuming a small daily surplus, a few hundred calories extra, over many years, a swing of 100-300 calories can easily make the gaining weight much easier or much harder.

Re:The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving by dpark on Friday September 13, 2019 @05:52PM (#20966982)
I wouldn’t consider 200ish calories “major”, in part because the typical weight loss plan includes a deficit of at least 500 calories/day, but mostly because it’s straightforward to turn a 500 calorie deficit into a 700 calorie deficit to accommodate the adaptation. Adaptation isn’t meaningless but it’s also not offsetting large deficits the way many people think it is.

As for obesity happening due to 100-300 extra calories per day, yes, but also not really. If a person’s intake is 300 calories per day over what’s necessary to maintain a healthy weight, then they will put on weight until TDEE (which increases with body mass) catches up with their intake and they land somewhere above their healthy weight. It’s not an unbounded growth unless caloric intake is also growing continuously. I would imagine it’s quite common to see obese people eating 300 calories over their current TDEE but also to be 1300 calories over their healthy-weight TDEE.

Also don’t forget that the 300 extra calories is after the metabolic adaptation from eating a surplus. So if an individual will increase TDEE by 200 calories in response to a surplus, then they’ll need to eat 500 calories above “real” TDEE to see a 300 calorie effective weight gain.

All this is to say that obese people are generally eating quite a bit more than just 100-300 calories too much per day.

Re:The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving by magna7 on Friday September 13, 2019 @04:11PM (#20966002)
While I agree with you that this is not a major effect, it is an effect nonetheless and it's due to changes in hormones. Dr Fung has a blog where he discusses it using an analogy https://idmprogram.com/how-to-control-the-body-weight-thermo....

I'm not the OP, but I'm also not convinced that the set point exists. Regardless, fasting is a better way of losing weight than caloric restriction IMO since it lowers insulin, but to each their own. Either way, the laws of thermodynamics haven't changed, it's just how your body responds, and we're all unique in that sense. Whatever works for people, so long as they're losing weight if they're obese or overweight.