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Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by DanBC on Friday September 13, 2019 @12:38PM (#20963679)
> I honestly don't understand, can someone explain?

She's a woman, she's young, she's autistic.

She faces a triple-whammy of discrimination because of that.

She's also calmly reminding people that climate change is real and poses a risk of harm to the world, and she's actually doing something to stop that. For some reason climate change is absurdly polarised.

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by throwaway744678 on Friday September 13, 2019 @07:11PM (#20967611)
> She's a woman, she's young, she's autistic. She faces a triple-whammy of discrimination because of that.

...No she does not. In this context, one would argue that, on the contrary she benefits from these. Would she have had the same journey, had she been a 50 year old "regular" (non autistic) man? No one would have cared.

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by johnchristopher on Sunday September 15, 2019 @04:14AM (#20976157)
What the... The point of this topic is basically that she's or should be irrelevant because of her age or her Asperger and now you say it's an advantage...

You can't have both.

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by leereeves on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:30PM (#20964280)
Brilliant strategy, making a young autistic woman the face of the climate apocalypse movement.

Now any disagreement with the movement can be dismissed with allegations of discrimination instead of discussing the issue.

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by yongjik on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:46PM (#20964462)
Well, maybe if the world listened to actual climate scientists, Nobel laureates, NASA and its satellite data, or even freaking Al Gore, we wouldn't have come to this.

But people didn't listen - or rather, enough people didn't listen, and now we have to listen to a young autistic teenager girl berating us for sitting idle while the world burns (metaphorically speaking), and IMHO we all deserve it, and you'd better get used to it, because that's not even the remotely worse part of the climate change.

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by leereeves on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:48PM (#20964481)
> while the world burns (metaphorically speaking)

Here's where you lose me. I don't see a world burning, and past predictions of coming apocalypse have proven false.

Yes, the world is warming. We're going back to the temperature of the world a few million years ago, still much cooler than it was during most of the history of life on Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record#/m...

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by NeedMoreTea on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:03PM (#20964659)
> don't see a world burning

If the NASA and IPCC graphs of global temperature, and rate of change don't convince you, nothing will.

Most predictions on climate heating are turning out to be far worse in actuality. Sea level rise is neatly tracking the IPCC's worst case prediction. Yet they're still putting out the middle ground , conservative case.

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by leereeves on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:05PM (#20964679)
And that's evidence of warming, not "burning".

Apocalyptic language is not scientific. But when the facts don't inspire action, activists resort to hyperbole and distortion.

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by NeedMoreTea on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:23PM (#20964861)
GP spelt out they were metaphorically speaking. I don't see them claiming to be one of the climate scientists etc.

Warming or burning, it's shaping up to ruin society as we know it. At least if we are going to believe the scientists and economists at the IPCC. They seem to be expecting at least two of the four horsemen. That seems pretty apocalyptic to me.

If that;s not enough to inspire action, what the hell is? New York knee deep in water?

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by seppin on Friday September 13, 2019 @04:36PM (#20966238)
> Apocalyptic language is not scientific

Disagree. The effect to society the warming causes is apocalyptic (1 billion climate refugees). Pointing to rising sea level and temperature is the cause, the effect is our society being unrecognizable in a few short decades.

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by throwaway744678 on Friday September 13, 2019 @07:14PM (#20967645)
Can we stop downvoting fair arguments we disagree with? Can't we just "agree to disagree" without resorting to unnecessary measures?
Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by seppin on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @01:21AM (#20991855)
No that's how any up/downvote website works. HN is no different
Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by senectus1 on Sunday September 15, 2019 @04:47AM (#20976238)
if a child has a fever its common language to call that "burning up". This doesn't mean she incinerated it means the overall temperature of her body is increased beyond what it needs for a prolonged amount of time. Leave it like that and damage to organs will occur. Leave it too long and system failure will occur and the enough of the organs fail the entire body will die.

It works the earth as well. we're in the middle of a fever, leaving it like that will cause damage to organs. Leave it too long those organs (polar regions, tropical areas, ocean temps) will fail. These failures lead to chain reactions that equate to system failures. entire regions will become uninhabitable. Those on the extreme edge of survivable regions will have to leave to areas that can support them. Those that are use to living in "golden zones" are going to experience climate changes that turn those areas into very uncomfortable and potentially survivable conditions.

The language is accurate, its just not precise or pretty.

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by yongjik on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:58PM (#20964599)
Protip: If you have to argue the Earth was warmer "a few million years ago", you've lost the argument.
Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by leereeves on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:03PM (#20964657)
Not even worth responding to. That kind of low-effort comment doesn't belong here.

(My original response didn't belong either, so I edited it.)

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by dragonwriter on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:05PM (#20964680)
> If your argument is that returning to temperatures a few millions years ago is apocalypse, you've lost the ability to reason.

As humans did not live on Earth a few million years ago, insofar as human society is concerned, why would the fact that temperatures had previously occurred a few million years ago be even slightly inconsistent with them being apocalyptic?

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by leereeves on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:08PM (#20964719)
Close relatives of humans have lived on Earth for much longer. Unless you have evidence otherwise, I'm betting they required similar climate conditions.
Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by dragonwriter on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:22PM (#20964857)
That they lived when the climate was significantly different and were replaced when it became more like current climate is evidence otherwise (it's not, in and of itself, conclusive evidence, but it is evidence.)
Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by leereeves on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:46PM (#20965111)
Only if you make the significant (and I think unwarranted) assumption that the advantage the genus homo had over other apes was climate adaptation and not greater intelligence, standing upright, etc.
Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by dragonwriter on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:48PM (#20965123)
> Only if you make the significant (and I think unwarranted) assumption that homo sapiens' advantage over other apes was climate adaptation and not greater intelligence, standing upright, etc.

No, it's evidence both for the general conclusion and that specific point, it doesn't require that point as an assumption.

Evidence is any fact whose existence makes a conclusion more likely than it would be in the absence of that fact.

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by leereeves on Friday September 13, 2019 @03:01PM (#20965247)
Given X could potentially cause Y, the fact that Y happened is not evidence of X.

In other words, the mere fact that something happened isn't evidence for a proposed (even plausible) cause. Proving the cause requires further evidence.

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by NeedMoreTea on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:25PM (#20964891)
They also weren't trying to hold together an advanced technological society. Survival on the margins of existence may be possible long after society as we know it is in ruins.
Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by coldtea on Friday September 13, 2019 @04:08PM (#20965977)
Close relatives of humans didn't have to sustain societies, and as animals living out in nature are much stronger and more resilient. Plus they could die in droves, and nobody would care (in fact, other apes, living further away wouldn't even know it).

So, if you mean we get to enjoy living in conditions fit for apes, then you might be on to something, but I wouldn't exactly rejoice about it...

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by GaryNumanVevo on Friday September 13, 2019 @01:27PM (#20964265)
I'd think pointing out uncomfortable truths about our world play a big role in that too
Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by repolfx on Friday September 13, 2019 @06:45PM (#20967424)
Since when is she autistic? Autistic people don't get up on stage, go on live TV, speak eloquently and go on round the world sailing trips. I don't understand this recent push to dilute the word "autistic" into meaninglessness. What shall we call the poor people who sit on the floor flapping their hands because they're overwhelmed by the world around them?

She's also calmly reminding people that climate change is real

People don't need reminding. They heard nothing else for decades. It's not like it just slipped people's minds.

A hypocritical little girl (not a woman), with no experience of the world, is not going to suddenly get everyone to stop using cars or flying in airplanes. She isn't even willing to do that herself, as her stunt with the yaught that had to be sailed back home by people who flew to the destination showed.

For some reason climate change is absurdly polarised.

It's polarised because it's used as a stick to try and force hard left policies on the world, so anyone who isn't hard left will naturally be suspicious that the proposed remedies are all wrong and quite possibly the problem too.

This is especially true given the frequent unreliability of academics who claim to understand highly complex systems (e.g. economists), the failure of many previous predictions by climate scientists, and the near-violent hatred dished out to anyone who takes a skeptical position.

Recall that Thunberg argues for reducing carbon emissions by 50% in about 10 years. She offers no ideas for how to do that without causing a total collapse of global society that kills millions of people, the very thing that climate change activists claim they're trying to avoid. It is natural for people to consider that unhelpful at best, or self-promoting BS at worst. Why wouldn't people find her polarising?

In the end the only people who can really make a difference here are scientists and engineers. Thunberg is neither. She has literally nothing to contribute and should go back to school.

Re:Greta Thunberg has done her science homework by samantohermes on Monday September 16, 2019 @10:42PM (#20990776)
Autism is a spectrum (or a ballpark): http://pseudoexpertise.com/ch-7.pdf