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Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by wastedhours on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @05:59AM (#20926594)
We must be pretty important for Softbank as a signal - even if they didn't believe in the company, allowing such a major investment take such a big hit would be rather bad. Worth them pouring a few $bn more in instead of an IPO, if only to shore up faith in the rest of their portfolio?

All that being said, someone needs to be mentoring the CEO, like right now. That S1 was... not... great.

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by goatinaboat on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @07:22AM (#20927024)
SoftBank business model: make an investment at valuation X. Make another investment at valuation 2X. Declare that the value of the first investment has doubled!

The wheels come off when anyone else gets to value the investment. That’s happening now. I wonder how other SoftBank businesses like ARM will be impacted.

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by onion2k on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @07:58AM (#20927221)
I wonder how other SoftBank businesses like ARM will be impacted.

I don't think many investors dispute the ~$28b valuation that Softbank paid for ARM.

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by antoniuschan99 on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @12:55PM (#20930309)
ARM might be king now, but looking into RiSC-V and the Made In China 2025 initiative, I wonder what the landscape will be like in the future

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20838030

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by Braighni on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @07:19AM (#20927001)
Softbank invested at a $47 billion valuation.

An IPO at $20bn, that may tank afterwards, would really hurt their paper profits.

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by _flwm on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @11:33AM (#20929327)
The risk may be more existential for Softbank than just knocking profits -- coming after Uber
Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by navigatesol on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @08:12AM (#20927304)
>Worth them pouring a few $bn more in instead of an IPO, if only to shore up faith in the rest of their portfolio?

I'd love to know how throwing good money after bad would shore up the faith in the rest of the portfolio?

"No one else wants this, but we can't afford to mark-to-market, so we're going to throw more money in with the hopes of maintaining an illusory valuation."

At the end of the day, it's a bad business. Can't fake your way out of it.

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by wastedhours on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @08:20AM (#20927368)
> I'd love to know how throwing good money after bad would shore up the faith in the rest of the portfolio?

I mean, I'm just throwing something out there - I can't see how they were funded in the first place...

But, there's definitely a scenario where We taking a 50% haircut after several large-scale late rounds led by one prominent fund could lead to other companies valued at a level by the same late stage fund being valued less. The optics of that to other investors, whilst common for a lot of funds, at this late stage could raise some eyebrows.

$3bn to maintain We's valuation on the private market might mitigate against several multi-$bn write downs across the portfolio, especially if they're planning IPOs as well.

No idea if it's a decent strategy, but this is VC we're talking about...

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by heymijo on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @09:12AM (#20927722)
Softbank has over $10 billion of its $100 billion Vision Fund invested in WeWork.

That's a hell of a big bet. It's not hard to imagine Softbank will do whatever it can, rational or not, to try to get WeWork to a point where they can cash out.

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by tomatocracy on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @01:04PM (#20930455)
Yes. It’s a pretty common conflict of interest between the manager of the fund (which has a strong incentive to raise new fund while they can as quickly as possible so will want to prop up any losers until the current round of fundraising is complete) and the investors in the fund (who may or may not also be invested in the manager itself).
Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by navigatesol on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @01:23PM (#20930722)
>Softbank will do whatever it can

I agree: they'll do something. But having to pour money into a company that just blew its IPO because the business is terrible...well, not sure the market as a whole can see that as anything else but "we're f-cked!"

Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by vasco on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @03:23AM (#20937418)
Add a little creative accounting and you got Enron on your hands.
Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by nindalf on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @06:09AM (#20926638)
Not a fan of "Community adjusted" EBITDA I take it?
Re:Troubles Mount for the We Company as Softbank Reportedly ... by wastedhours on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @06:19AM (#20926680)
They win my respect for their confidence in trying, but they don't win my money!