Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by egdod on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:53PM
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Pretty strange. Why would she be racially profiling Asians as terrorist suspects? Have we had a rash of Chinese guys blowing up planes that I somehow missed?
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by gfodor on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:58PM
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If the person involved is suffering from mental illness, trying to ascribe any kind of rational (or even an irrational, but directional, motive like racism) seems folly. Is there any evidence to show this persons actions were based upon racial profiling and not some form of temporary insanity? IANAP but it seems as likely as not to me that the employee bumping into the person on line was the triggering event.
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by derekbreden on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:23AM
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Why would mental illness, temporary or any other temporality, be reason to eliminate any value in categorizing the specifics of the behavior as racist?
If not all racism, maybe some racism could be a symptom of mental illness? [1]
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by gfodor on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:39AM
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I never claimed it eliminated any value, but to answer your question more directly, it reduces the value for the same reason it reduces the value of any action taken by an clinically insane person in terms of moral weight vs one who is sane: the insane person is presumed to have lost the ability to reason and act rationally due to factors outside of their free will.
Of course, more to the point, is the fact that based on the article the extent of the evidence that this was racial profiling is that the victim speculated it was such, and the two victims were of similar ethnic origin. That, combined with the fact that it sounds like there is evidence supporting the idea the person may have been having a mental episode, should call into question the journalistic integrity of the author who in the title claims as fact that racism was the cause of the employee's behavior.
At the very least, it seems like there is some chance that this person had some kind of lapse in sanity, and this article now labels that person as being a racist -- if that person's name were included in the article, they'd likely now be the target of an internet mob and persona non grata. Insofar as the allegations about their mental illness are true and have been identified as the cause (unknown) I commend Alaska Airlines for protecting the person's identity.
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by derekbreden on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:54AM
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I believe I mistook the use of the word folly in a context that was not relevant.
I would not feel qualified to say for whom it might be of value, but my thinking was perhaps for the individual having their behavior being categorized, or a clinician assisting them. Not super relevant here.
We're talking about the journalist, and perhaps ourselves, and in that light folly makes a lot more sense than it did in how I had initially misinterpreted.
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by zawerf on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:27AM
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I felt like racism against asians did get a little worse this year. A lot of it is probably due to china coming up a lot more in the news so I start noticing the stereotyping/generalizations surfacing in the comment threads. Usually we get all the good stereotypes (e.g., harvard needs affirmative action to keep us out). But more recently the highly upvoted news were about how you shouldn't trust someone chinese because they are here to spy on you or steal your intellectual property for china.
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by huntertwo on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:03AM
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> He noted that East Asians aren't usually profiled in shooting or terror situations, but said he feared that "maybe there is a shift in Trump's America and all this [Chinese] trade war situation."
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by chrischen on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:11AM
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The only thing racial was that the employee assumed the two Chinese guys knew each other. She pre-judged that fact based on their race. As for thinking they were terrorists that probably had more to do with her psychological state...
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by knolax on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:22AM
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> "How much are they paying you?" he said she asked him, not clarifying who "they" were. "Did they give you a visa? Did they give your family a visa? Do you make a lot of money? Do you work on Wall Street? Are you on an American visa?"
She probably wasn't asking him that because of his Canadian citizenship.
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by huntertwo on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:35AM
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Perhaps she thought they were some sort of Chinese government terrorists. Seems like a plausible enough jump for a mentally unwell person to make given the rest of the things she said to them. Can’t know her motivations either way though.
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by kart23 on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:57PM
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Yeah, this seems like a headline just made to get more clicks. It's just kinda weird honestly. Nothing about the questions she asked implies anything racial.
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by rayiner on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:48PM
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> But once police arrived within a minute and started scanning the crowd, Xue said he felt compelled to come forward and identify himself. "I'm like, So, 90% chance I have something to do with this and it's escalated way too fast," said Xue.
This story makes no sense. Why the hell would he volunteer to the police he was involved? Who “racially profiles” Chinese people at an airport?
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by ggm on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:13AM
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This story makes no sense. Why the hell would he volunteer to the police he was involved? Who “racially profiles” Chinese people at an airport?
The story makes perfect sense. he was directly involved, and realized if he didn't self identify, the consequences would probably be prolonged, and less pleasant for everyone.
He took one for the team in the wider public interest.
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by chrischen on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:12AM
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An airline employee acts bizarre, told him she'd call the police. What would you do if suddenly the police came and shit hit the fan from the bizarre behavior?
He was "volunteering" in that he had information about who caused the incident, which was actually the lady.
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by BigJono on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:29AM
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Seems fine to me. The lady told him she was calling the police on him so he notified them of that when they arrived. The only weird thing IMO is that he was '90% sure' he was the cause of the commotion. The overreaction seems ridiculous enough that if I were him I might have assumed there was another cause like an actual shooter or bomber there and indicated to the police as such, especially after they go "we've got him" and stop looking.
Re:Panic at EWR after racial profiling
by rudiv on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:13AM
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Perhaps he felt it was the right thing to do. Maybe it's hard to understand because his cultural context is so very different. Being that he's from Canada.
If not all racism, maybe some racism could be a symptom of mental illness? [1]
[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071634/
Of course, more to the point, is the fact that based on the article the extent of the evidence that this was racial profiling is that the victim speculated it was such, and the two victims were of similar ethnic origin. That, combined with the fact that it sounds like there is evidence supporting the idea the person may have been having a mental episode, should call into question the journalistic integrity of the author who in the title claims as fact that racism was the cause of the employee's behavior.
At the very least, it seems like there is some chance that this person had some kind of lapse in sanity, and this article now labels that person as being a racist -- if that person's name were included in the article, they'd likely now be the target of an internet mob and persona non grata. Insofar as the allegations about their mental illness are true and have been identified as the cause (unknown) I commend Alaska Airlines for protecting the person's identity.
I would not feel qualified to say for whom it might be of value, but my thinking was perhaps for the individual having their behavior being categorized, or a clinician assisting them. Not super relevant here.
We're talking about the journalist, and perhaps ourselves, and in that light folly makes a lot more sense than it did in how I had initially misinterpreted.
She probably wasn't asking him that because of his Canadian citizenship.
This story makes no sense. Why the hell would he volunteer to the police he was involved? Who “racially profiles” Chinese people at an airport?
Alaska Airlines employees, apparently.
The story makes perfect sense. he was directly involved, and realized if he didn't self identify, the consequences would probably be prolonged, and less pleasant for everyone.
He took one for the team in the wider public interest.
He was "volunteering" in that he had information about who caused the incident, which was actually the lady.