News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by harimau777 on Saturday September 07, 2019 @08:46AM (#20903436)
I'm not sure that it makes sense to group Boise with the other cities they mention (Austin, Denver, Portland, Indianapolis, etc.). Boise has less than half the population of Raleigh which I think is the next least populated of the cities that they mention.

In addition, while this is much more subjective, most of those cities seem to share a similar "cultural prestige"/influence as compared to other large cities like Columbus, Jacksonville, etc.

It seems to me that a more accurate description is that people are moving from the most expensive and culturally prestigious cities to slightly less expensive and culturally prestigious cities. It doesn't sound to me like they are moving to what people generally think of as "small cities".

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by ImprovedSilence on Saturday September 07, 2019 @02:57PM (#20905776)
About 7 or so years ago I visited Boise for the first time when I was coming back from a backpacking trip. I instantly fell in love with the city, and if proximity to family wasn’t a priority for me (I’m on the east coast), I’d have started looking for jobs there the next week. (I may have done a cursory search anyway, but not with any real seriousness.) It surprises me zero percent that it’s been growing like crazy, and I think it absolutely merits being included here.

Denver, on the other hand, has already “arrived” in my mind, as anyone I know who had any inkling of outdoor adventureness in them ended up there 10 years ago, the traffic is/has been a mess for years, and the ski slopes are way too crowded.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday September 07, 2019 @03:17PM (#20905879)
HP used to do a lot in Boise, not sure about these days. As a tech hub in that area, SLC is probably more successful, especially when a growing tech scene in Provo is included (they even have a Starbucks now near BYU, if that is believable). Boise is a lot less Mormon than SLC is (15 vs 50%).
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by desert_boi on Saturday September 07, 2019 @04:56PM (#20906462)
Boise's tech scene is still very Mormon. Lots of people commute in from the outer burb of Meridian to downtown. I work in downtown Boise, and my tech lead, middle manager, and his boss are all Mormon. I'm the only guy on my team that didn't go on a mission or go to BYU for part of my schooling.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday September 07, 2019 @05:06PM (#20906510)
Idaho is very Mormon in the south, and Mormons tend to be significant in the tech scene throughout the west (eg at Microsoft in Redmond), so that doesn’t sound surprising at all.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by ajmurmann on Saturday September 07, 2019 @09:06AM (#20903527)
You are exactly describing the reasoning I went through when selecting Portland as the place to move to from SF.

Edit: to be clear, price for me was really the main reason to move away from SF and not to move for example to NYC. If there had been city similarly vibrant and interesting, large city as NYC or SF that is affordable I'd have chosen that in a heart beat over Portland.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by fillskills on Saturday September 07, 2019 @01:02PM (#20905022)
How is Portland doing for you? I am moving there in a few days
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by ajmurmann on Sunday September 08, 2019 @08:08AM (#20910050)
Portland is great. My wife likes to call it "the last liveable city in America". I like the culture; food is varied and superb; public transit exists. Especially the east side has a funk going that I really like. Although local chains are growing in recent years and making most little downtown areas a lot more alike. It sometimes grid a little provincial to me and I more frequently get on an airplane then I drive outside of the Portland metro area. All that might say more about me you than the city and region.

I could say a lot more, but am not sure what you'd be interested in.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by rayiner on Saturday September 07, 2019 @01:25PM (#20905197)
Showed my wife (6th generation Oregonian) this thread. Steam is coming out her ears.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by a3n on Saturday September 07, 2019 @03:35PM (#20905981)
If she's angry about the problems that come with newcomers, she can ask the govt or people to outlaw newcomers.

Otherwise ... No one occupies the high moral ground. Every newcomer, no matter how far back, changed forever what was there.

Edit: when I lived in San Diego in the seventies, it was all but impossible to get a permit for a new water hookup, effectively banning new homes and therefore new people. Your wife could start with that.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by rayiner on Saturday September 07, 2019 @06:17PM (#20906959)
It’s not newcomers. (The native Americans weren’t too thrilled when here ancestors came into town, I’ll tell you what.) It’s Californians specifically.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by stevenicr on Sunday September 08, 2019 @05:33AM (#20909484)
Even people on the other coast are dismayed at the californians trying to change oregon, nevada, washington (too late) and even texas it seems. It is quite startling actually. As someone who has been looking into those areas for possible moving, the changes in recent years are bringing real fears that they could actually start going the way of California, which makes them much less attractive.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by a3n on Saturday September 07, 2019 @07:07PM (#20907276)
OK, different bias.

And the native Americans changed the land when they arrived.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by cylinder on Saturday September 07, 2019 @07:36PM (#20907438)
People say this as if Californian is an ethnicity. Please.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by Macross8299 on Saturday September 07, 2019 @08:11PM (#20907610)
The popular perception is that the people leaving California bring their politics with them and vote for the same things they did in California, therefore making their new state just as miserable as the parts of California they fled.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by a3n on Saturday September 07, 2019 @08:57PM (#20907810)
There was a big influx of Californians to Seattle early 90s from aerospace tectonic shifts and normal moving around. The worry was rising property prices mainly, because they brought lots of cash from selling their expensive California homes.

And they were always leaving off the last syllables of words. But mainly property prices.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by ajmurmann on Sunday September 08, 2019 @07:14AM (#20909814)
My experience living in CA had taught me that NIMBYs are at the root of many problems there.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by patthebunny on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:30PM (#20911522)
Ehhhh it would be hard to bring the truly destructive legislation. California's system is exceptionally dumb.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by ajmurmann on Monday September 09, 2019 @08:07AM (#20917358)
Do you mind explaining which legislation in particular you are considering destructive?
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by patthebunny on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @11:55AM (#20929605)
The property tax system is terrible.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by dragonwriter on Saturday September 07, 2019 @09:01PM (#20907835)
> People say this as if Californian is an ethnicity.

You say that as if it is not.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by wnmurphy on Saturday September 07, 2019 @05:02PM (#20906496)
Nothing personal, I can very much relate to this attitude as someone who grew up in the Bay Area and watched it explode... but cities grow. Everyone came from somewhere else, right?
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by city41 on Saturday September 07, 2019 @08:33PM (#20907709)
The US has gained 40 million people since the year 2000. Growth is just an inevitability.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by cylinder on Saturday September 07, 2019 @07:35PM (#20907430)
Tell your wife her ancestors should have bought all the land in the state if they didn't want anyone moving there. I don't find these sentiments funny or cheeky at all.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday September 07, 2019 @03:20PM (#20905895)
Having been born in Portland myself (and otherwise a 4th gen Washingtonian), transplanting is just a way of life in the PNW.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by Aloha on Saturday September 07, 2019 @05:38PM (#20906704)
I was a transplant from California over a decade ago I guess I never fully took root, I ended up moving to Texas
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday September 07, 2019 @07:41PM (#20907458)
Texas has a lot of transplants as well. If you look at the population today vs 20 years ago, it becomes really obvious that it has to be the case.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by jamiek88 on Saturday September 07, 2019 @03:25PM (#20905924)
I showed your comment to my 7th generation wife and she was glad people like her birthplace.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by mapgrep on Saturday September 07, 2019 @04:27PM (#20906304)
My 8th generation wife asked me to convey that everything has been downhill since they put in running water and the iron horse.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by rapind on Saturday September 07, 2019 @04:36PM (#20906368)
Reddit called. They want their thread back.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by ironmagma on Saturday September 07, 2019 @02:20PM (#20905556)
Some people really hate change.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by a3n on Saturday September 07, 2019 @03:39PM (#20906009)
Only change that they didn't cause.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by lubujackson on Saturday September 07, 2019 @08:15PM (#20907625)
So... most things in the world?

I get it, I grew up in a small town and this feels like straight townie-ism to me.

Portland people who hate CA transplants have the same mindset as SF people who hate "techies" who have the same mindset as Red Americans who hate immigrants. There are always some cultural differences people point to (they are raising prices!/taking jobs!/crappy people!/more traffic!) but it is really just a form of territorial pissing that dumps negativity on individuals for societal shifts.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by perl4ever on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:36PM (#20908458)
I went to college in Arizona in the 90s, and got the impression a large number of people were annoyed by newcomers from CA.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by fillskills on Saturday September 07, 2019 @08:42PM (#20907745)
Please convey to your spouse that we come in peace
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by afpx on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:00AM (#20904141)
Some of these small cities have decent infrastructure, lots of charm, natural beauty, and cute city centers - for really cheap! I recently purchased a street of $30,000 homes that I’m turning into a creative community.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by et2o on Saturday September 07, 2019 @12:44PM (#20904882)
Where? Would love to see a write-up or blog.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by afpx on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:01PM (#20908345)
I’m not quite at that stage yet. But, you can find similar cities, and probably similar communities, all across the northeast.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by ransom1538 on Saturday September 07, 2019 @02:51PM (#20905742)
Taxes. State income tax. This can be as high as 9.0% (CA or NY). That is insane. If you make 100k, the state could take 9k a year. In some states that will cover your entire mortgage on a house. I love CA or NY, but FL, TX, NV, etc have NO state income tax. ID is awesome, but 7% taxes is no go.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by m0llusk on Saturday September 07, 2019 @03:30PM (#20905955)
That isn't necessarily a robust analysis of cost trade offs. A good example of how this can be inaccurate is Texas which has a reputation as a relatively low tax state, but in order to fund its considerable road network levies extremely high property taxes which in turn trigger higher rents than might be expected. New Hampshire has a similar situation with low taxes being made up for with high property taxes which pay the cost of rebuilding the roads which are ripped up seasonally by frost heaves and geologic activity.

Ultimately people demand basic services which have to be paid for. Eliminating one source of funding may reduce the overall burden but more likely simply shifts funding.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by mattkrause on Saturday September 07, 2019 @08:22PM (#20907657)
And many of these services are fairly essential, so if your taxes aren't covering them, you'll end up paying out of pocket for them anyway. This can be something like fire protection (e.g., if you live somewhere unincorporated) or healthcare (e.g., US).
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by walshemj on Saturday September 07, 2019 @04:21PM (#20906249)
US property taxes (even in lower cost states) are huge compared to the UK's council tax.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by mokus on Saturday September 07, 2019 @06:23PM (#20907012)
Isn’t this just another example of what you’re replying to? UK’s VAT sounds appallingly high to American ears too, but it isn’t really meaningful to compare a single type of tax in isolation.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by walshemj on Saturday September 07, 2019 @07:11PM (#20907296)
The max council tax on say a 10 million pound mansion is around £4k - which from chats with some one living in one of the cheaper states is less than a basic 4 bed house.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by mattkrause on Saturday September 07, 2019 @08:35PM (#20907715)
Right, but other taxes make up for it.

Sales tax in many states is between 5-10 percent; the UK VAT is 20%. The top income tax bracket in the UK is a bit higher (45%) than in the US (37%) and the National Insurance Contributions are often larger than FICA (etc). The UK also has (e.g.) a TV tax, which the US doesn't.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by walshemj on Sunday September 08, 2019 @01:05PM (#20911740)
Looking at headline levels doesn't always work especially if your middle class, Share options are taxed much less harshly you get pension tax relief at your effective rate.

we don't have to pay some one to do our taxes either.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by patthebunny on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:32PM (#20911535)
> That isn't necessarily a robust analysis of cost trade offs

Considering it's 100% complaining about taxes and has zero analysis, yeah.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by rayiner on Saturday September 07, 2019 @07:28PM (#20907379)
Extremely high relative to what? Houston’s property tax rate is half of San Francisco’s, and a bit lower than where I am in suburban Maryland.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by cylinder on Saturday September 07, 2019 @07:33PM (#20907419)
No it's not? Property taxes on a home in the Houston area will range from 2.3% to 3% of the appraised value per year. That includes improvements on land and it's not prevented from rising every year with the value of the house.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by phil248 on Saturday September 07, 2019 @05:10PM (#20906536)
"If you make 100k, the state could take 9k a year."

That is absolutely not how income taxes work. If you live in California and earn $100k, your tax liability would be around $6k before any exemptions or deductions.

These things can easily be looked up, FYI.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by netman21 on Saturday September 07, 2019 @06:07PM (#20906890)
So true, but as a first pass, the high marginal tax rates in California, Washington, and Wisconsin have to be accounted for as a "cost of relocating." If you are a successful professional you are probably making closer to $250K and the highest marginal rate can apply to that last $150K. So moving from low tax Michigan to high tax California can mean $10,500 more in taxes. Over 20 years that adds up.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by perl4ever on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:33PM (#20908445)
For reference, about 1.6% of Americans make $250K or more.

So your definition of "successful professional" isn't quite the proverbial 1%, but it's close enough for government work.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by confidantlake on Saturday September 07, 2019 @10:12PM (#20908157)
250k seems very high to qualify as a successful professional. Very few people will ever make that much.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by hellisothers on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:24PM (#20908414)
If you are in tech and are considering moving to CA and the income tax difference is actually a deterrent then you shouldn’t move because you are already making a disproportionally huge salary for your region.

In my experience, talking to many many people considering moving to or from CA, the delta in salary coming to CA dwarfs any differences in income tax.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by foota on Saturday September 07, 2019 @08:55PM (#20907802)
Washington State has no income tax.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by patthebunny on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:33PM (#20911547)
> Washington

Washington has no income tax.

We do have stupid regressive sales taxes.

and taxes on sugary beverages that don't include milk based beverages because Starbucks.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by ransom1538 on Sunday September 08, 2019 @02:29AM (#20908947)
https://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/state-taxes-californi...

"These things can easily be looked up, FYI. "

Sorry what? Yes, you could have.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by 2sk21 on Saturday September 07, 2019 @04:20PM (#20906245)
But ultimately the money spent by state governments has to come from _somewhere_.

Property taxes are quite high in Texas for example: https://www.kut.org/post/heres-why-property-taxes-are-higher...

Other states with no income taxes have highly regressive sales taxes: https://www.accuratetax.com/blog/regressive-sales-tax-infogr...

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by jdavis703 on Saturday September 07, 2019 @07:15PM (#20907314)
California's high income tax are bad, but not because they take too much income (that's a separate argument about the morality of taxing labor vs wealth). The income taxes are bad because when the labor market implodes the tax base dries up. At least there's a well-funded "rainy day" account now. But in the Great Recession state finances were quite a mess, which meant the services everyone relied on got cut. So essentially there was a one two punch of job losses and less services for the unemployeed to use.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by throwaway122kk on Saturday September 07, 2019 @05:07PM (#20906517)
Irish, tax is 52% on each euro above 33k year (about 20% below) property tax is about 300eur per year, no universal healhcare, employer pays health insurance.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by godzillabrennus on Saturday September 07, 2019 @07:12PM (#20907300)
Isn’t there no corporate tax rate in Ireland? Probably better to setup a corporation and freelance if taxes for employees is that high.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by throwaway122kk on Saturday September 07, 2019 @09:25PM (#20907943)
Corporation tax, It's there at 12.5% however if you have a company like I done for last 12 years you get hit with exact same income taxes as normal employees. Revenue have angles locked down. In fact as director you loose a pile of tax credits.

But but you can give yourself a loan out of company? Nope withholding tax due on that!

Ok what about expensing everything? Don't do it, Revenue will nail you as you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent in their eyes.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by eigenvector on Saturday September 07, 2019 @03:23PM (#20905914)
Idaho has a very small tax base, so they have to tax what's there at a higher rate. At the same time, what a lot of people like about Idaho is vast amounts of wilderness and unspoiled nature. If somebody loves to hike in the mountains, they're sooner going to pay 7% income tax and live in Idaho than move to Florida or Texas. It's the luxury of choice that someone making 100k/year in Idaho can afford.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by davidjnelson on Saturday September 07, 2019 @05:06PM (#20906514)
Always trade offs. Can’t imagine living somewhere with draconian laws around employers owning work you do on your own time with your own equipment and space. California is a leader here. There are nice, less expensive cities in California like Chico if you can swing remote work.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by davidjnelson on Saturday September 07, 2019 @09:20PM (#20907925)
This is a great thread on the details of how this works https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2208056
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by dsfyu404ed on Saturday September 07, 2019 @09:20AM (#20903584)
Boise is at the wrong end of a fire-hose of people leaving big cities in CA and will likely have the same economic growth and social problems as other cities with similiar circumstances. Grouping it with Denver, Portland, Austin makes sense. Indianapolis I'm not so sure about.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by mkr-hn on Saturday September 07, 2019 @12:11PM (#20904675)
You can see this out in Northeast Metro Atlanta. People flee the perimeter to escape the things they hate about the city. Then they realize they miss what they like about the city, so that gets built, and now they move further out. Repeat.

Now I-85/985, I-20, and every highway between them is littered with tiny Atlantas at every exit for 50+ miles. Every former bedroom community is turning into its own little city. At least some of them are trying to manage it in a way that leaves them better off once the exodus ends and flips back around.

People seem to have decided 50 miles is enough, so the escapist development has turned to the west and north sides.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by llampx on Saturday September 07, 2019 @03:36PM (#20905989)
> Every former bedroom community is turning into its own little city.

Isn't that a good thing, if you want people to have everything they need in their own neighborhood, rather than needing to commute 20 miles for a Costco and another 10 miles for a latte?

I'd rather have smaller (potentially walkable) communities than rows and rows of suburban housing where people just get in their car to drive elsewhere when they need to do something.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by a3n on Saturday September 07, 2019 @03:50PM (#20906074)
Agreed.

Highly recommend Alexander's "A Pattern Language." I just did an insanely massive purge, and this is one of the few books I kept.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Pattern_Language

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_design_pattern

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by BurningFrog on Saturday September 07, 2019 @02:57PM (#20905772)
California is unique in having prop 13 and other misfeatures that guarantees next to zero housing gets built when population increases.

Boise will have some growth pains, but it will have to really screw up to become California.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by chiph on Saturday September 07, 2019 @05:03PM (#20906501)
One thing though, is the influx of ex-Californians will change the culture of Boise (not judging - just saying it will). Soon they will petition In/Out Burgers to open there, and bring other California cultural touch-stones to Idaho.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by BurningFrog on Saturday September 07, 2019 @05:23PM (#20906608)
Perhaps. But remember that those who leave California are probably the ones who like it the least!
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by rayiner on Saturday September 07, 2019 @07:33PM (#20907415)
They don’t understand that their culture/policies is what causes the housing problems in California to begin with.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by a3n on Saturday September 07, 2019 @03:42PM (#20906030)
The same fire hose angst was happening in Seattle in the 80s and 90s. Now the newcomers are Seattle.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by leereeves on Saturday September 07, 2019 @03:39PM (#20906007)
> It seems to me that a more accurate description is that people are moving from the most expensive and culturally prestigious cities to slightly less expensive and culturally prestigious cities. It doesn't sound to me like they are moving to what people generally think of as "small cities".

Agree completely. Many workers are moving from LA or Chicago to Phoenix, which is far from a small city, but is less expensive.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by qroshan on Saturday September 07, 2019 @05:12PM (#20906549)
Rule # 1 of any economic analysis:

Analysis done during boom periods (low unemployment, high stock market) is worthless. During the dot com, housing and crypto bubbles, there were many trends of people doing X.

As Buffett says, "It's only when the tide goes down, you'll see who is swimming naked".

Real trends survive recessions and market busts. Take everything else with a grain of salt

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by rossdavidh on Saturday September 07, 2019 @10:56AM (#20904102)
While I don't disagree with your fundamental point, the fact that these places are smaller (hence less crowded/expensive) than Los Angeles and New York City, is a big part of the appeal. Even Boise and Austin are more similar in size to each other than they are to L.A. Austin metro area is about 3x the population of Boise, but L.A. metro area is about 8x the population of Austin, for example.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by ajmurmann on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:09AM (#20904201)
I'd love to see a survey on what actually went into the decision making progress. I know for myself larger city equaled more desirable, but there also is a correlation between size and affordability, especially if a short commute is desired.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by Aloha on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:07AM (#20904190)
I think you might have that backwards
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by HillaryBriss on Saturday September 07, 2019 @12:37PM (#20904847)
per Wikipedia, the difference is even larger:

LA Metro area: about 13 million

Austin: about 1 million.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by seanmcdirmid on Saturday September 07, 2019 @03:23PM (#20905915)
Austin metro area: 2 million. Let’s compares apples to apples at least.
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by VWWHFSfQ on Saturday September 07, 2019 @11:26AM (#20904338)
> For each worker who left Boise over the past four years, 1.57 workers moved in, making the city the biggest magnet for new residents in the LinkedIn analysis.

It may not be as large presently as those other places, but they're seeing higher growth rates. So it's reasonable to compare them in this report.

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by bilbo0s on Saturday September 07, 2019 @08:56AM (#20903473)
>It seems to me that a more accurate description is that people are moving from the most expensive and culturally prestigious cities to slightly less expensive and culturally prestigious cities. It doesn't sound to me like they are moving to what people generally think of as "small cities".

Maybe?

But how many clicks would that get?

Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by im3w1l on Saturday September 07, 2019 @10:15AM (#20903877)
Are you saying we shouldn't call out inaccuracies?
Re:Workers Are Fleeing Big Cities for Small Ones, and Taking... by patthebunny on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:28PM (#20911503)
I want to leave Seattle cause it's too expensive. Immediately Austin, Denver (or boulder), and Portland come to mind as reasonable alternatives.

It's just about money. You can have an absurdly well paying job in Seattle and it really doesn't matter because you still can't afford a house. You can pay absurd amounts for a small condo. You can have a god awful commute. Or you can move 3 hours south and your money goes further while you still get the appealing parts of living in a city.